Healing relationship

[Peggy]

Please pray and honor St. Jude for my intention of healing in a work/ministry relationship. Pray that God blesses this relationship with Christian love, peace, mutual respect and harmony so that we may minister together and witness to God's love.

[pladecalvo]

Sod off!

Jeez! There have been some nutters here in the past.

[livelychati]

You bored or something??? Why pull all these ancient threads out of obscurity??? :confused::confused::confused:

[Wouldhe]

Please pray and honor St. Jude for my intention of healing in a work/ministry relationship. Pray that God blesses this relationship with Christian love, peace, mutual respect and harmony so that we may minister together and witness to God's love.

What! Please pray for my intention.......

Yep, a nutter for sure.

[emilynghiem]

Please pray and honor St. Jude for my intention of healing in a work/ministry relationship. Pray that God blesses this relationship with Christian love, peace, mutual respect and harmony so that we may minister together and witness to God's love.

Hi Peggy! I join you in your ministry.
Here are resources I most recommend:
http://www.christianhealingmin.org

"Healing" by Francis MacNutt, edition 1999 or later
"The Healing Light" by Agnes Sanford

If you would like to connect your healing ministry with outreach in Houston, please also contact Olivia Reiner 713-829-0899 or 713-355-7330

I am asking all healing circles and prayer networks to join together on behalf of crime victims families, and people with knowledge of criminal illness to get help before anybody else gets hurt. http://findmorgan.com

Thank you Peggy and my prayers to you and all souls to be uplifted healed and blessed. Yours in Christ Jesus Amen.

[ecisgod]

Sod off!

Jeez! There have been some nutters here in the past.

LOL.... "Sod off!" :)

Yeah... how did this thread come back to life? From 2005???

[livelychati]

LOL.... "Sod off!" :)

Yeah... how did this thread come back to life? From 2005???
Gotta learn Welsh!! :p

[emilynghiem]

LOL.... "Sod off!" :)

Yeah... how did this thread come back to life? From 2005???

It took THAT long for Plad to think of two words to say?
Must have been struggling to be polite!

[woofshepherd]

Please pray and honor St. Jude for my intention of healing in a work/ministry relationship. Pray that God blesses this relationship with Christian love, peace, mutual respect and harmony so that we may minister together and witness to God's love.

Oh look its emilys friend peggy. :rolleyes:

[pladecalvo]

Why pull all these ancient threads out of obscurity??? :confused::confused::confused:Because I knew without a shadow of a doubt that post #5 would happen!! :D:D

[pladecalvo]

Hi Peggy! I join you in your ministry.
Here are resources I most recommend:
http://www.christianhealingmin.org

"Healing" by Francis MacNutt, edition 1999 or later
"The Healing Light" by Agnes Sanford

If you would like to connect your healing ministry with outreach in Houston, please also contact Olivia Reiner 713-829-0899 or 713-355-7330

I am asking all healing circles and prayer networks to join together on behalf of crime victims families, and people with knowledge of criminal illness to get help before anybody else gets hurt. http://findmorgan.com

Thank you Peggy and my prayers to you and all souls to be uplifted healed and blessed. Yours in Christ Jesus Amen.Sorry to disappoint you but Peggy has long since been carted off to the asylum. You're next!

MacNutters indeed! :rolleyes:

[BibleStudy]

Because I knew without a shadow of a doubt that post #5 would happen!! :D:D
So did you expect my 11:11 thingy too. LOL I did it all for you, and no compliments? Come on, you gotta admit that was good.

[emilynghiem]

So did you expect my 11:11 thingy too. LOL I did it all for you, and no compliments? Come on, you gotta admit that was good.

Why do you withhold support or attention from exJW.
And then keep begging for attention from nonJW.

Are nonJW "more worthy" of interaction than exJW.
If so, shouldn't all people stay "just friends" of JW
and never join if they will become a nonclass if they leave.

Sounds like a gamble, why not stay friends and never join.
It seems that's the only way to have unconditional interaction.

If you join, you submit to conditions.
If you leave you are subject to conditions.

If God is unconditional, raining on the just and unjust,
then this is not possible if you are JW or exJW. Only if you are nonJW. Right?

That's the only way to be free from JW conditions
and just be subject directly to God?

[woofshepherd]

Why do you withhold support or attention from exJW.
And then keep begging for attention from nonJW.

Are nonJW "more worthy" of interaction than exJW.
If so, shouldn't all people stay "just friends" of JW
and never join if they will become a nonclass if they leave.

Sounds like a gamble, why not stay friends and never join.
It seems that's the only way to have unconditional interaction.

If you join, you submit to conditions.
If you leave you are subject to conditions.

If God is unconditional, raining on the just and unjust,
then this is not possible if you are JW or exJW. Only if you are nonJW. Right?

That's the only way to be free from JW conditions


and just be subject directly to God?

Someone sure is thirsty :rolleyes: Where's that jug of kool-aid when you need it??? :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

[ecisgod]

Gotta learn Welsh!! :p

How's my favorite piano player?

My family is part Welsh. That's part of the reason why I get a kick outta Plad. He says stuff that I used to hear at family gatherings from time to time. The slang from "the island" is fun!

[pgh69]

Because I knew without a shadow of a doubt that post #5 would happen!! :D:D

You are wonderfully devious! :D

[pladecalvo]

That's 'cause I'm Welsh. We had to become devious to foil the English when they came over the border to nick our best looking sheep.

[emilynghiem]

Someone sure is thirsty :rolleyes: Where's that jug of kool-aid when you need it??? :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

Biblestudy is hungry for compliments? And you offer him poison kool-aid?

[emilynghiem]

You are wonderfully devious! :D

There is nothing devious needed to bring out spiritual healing.

I gave those books to my coworkers' husband, who is working on ministry to correct the JW. And this is one area that he had not researched, and did not understand. He was up until 1 or 2 AM reading those books, which his wife also has testimonies about that she could not explain to him. So this will help.

And last night, my bf brother who went from atheist to agnostic, was questioning how can people get so overtaken by mob mentality that they torture and brutalize masses of villagers in war as with the Khmer Rouge.

So we compared it with the weakminded cult mentality, where whole groups of people can be infected at once. I compared it with having a "spiritual virus" where it just spreads. And the emotions it can feed on are
"fear" or "anger" or anything "unforgiven" can become "infected." And in extreme cases, people sick with demonic rage can totally lose their free will and humanity. They cannot stop themselves without outside help.

So even in trying to understand and solve problems in the real world,
the issue of spiritual sickness and healing comes up in different contexts.

[pladecalvo]

There is nothing devious needed to bring out spiritual healing.

I gave those books to my coworkers' husband, who is working on ministry to correct the JW. And this is one area that he had not researched, and did not understand. He was up until 1 or 2 AM reading those books, which his wife also has testimonies about that she could not explain to him. So this will help.

And last night, my bf brother who went from atheist to agnostic, was questioning how can people get so overtaken by mob mentality that they torture and brutalize masses of villagers in war as with the Khmer Rouge.

So we compared it with the weakminded cult mentality, where whole groups of people can be infected at once. I compared it with having a "spiritual virus" where it just spreads. And the emotions it can feed on are
"fear" or "anger" or anything "unforgiven" can become "infected." And in extreme cases, people sick with demonic rage can totally lose their free will and humanity. They cannot stop themselves without outside help.

So even in trying to understand and solve problems in the real world,
the issue of spiritual sickness and healing comes up in different contexts.

Oh for goodness sake......... SHUT UP for an hour would you!!

[emilynghiem]

Oh for goodness sake......... SHUT UP for an hour would you!!

You know you wanted it.
Just like a pussy. Saying no no with your lips.
But inside, it's all yes yes come Jesus come quickly. Pricktease!

[Orion]

Last night, my bf brother who went from atheist to agnostic, was questioning how can people get so overtaken by mob mentality that they torture and brutalize masses of villagers in war as with the Khmer Rouge.

Not that I want you to keep hammering your keyboard with long drawn out explanations of the Theory of Everything, Em, but do you understand who the Khmer Rouge were and what their motivations were in the horror they committed?

[pladecalvo]

You know you wanted it.
Just like a pussy. Saying no no with your lips.
But inside, it's all yes yes come Jesus come quickly. Pricktease!

Mad...quite MAD!! :eek:

[livelychati]

Oh for goodness sake......... SHUT UP for an hour would you!!You DO know it's pointless asking, pleading, demanding ... there's a hearing/reading/comprehension disconnect there!

[emilynghiem]

Not that I want you to keep hammering your keyboard with long drawn out explanations of the Theory of Everything, Em, but do you understand who the Khmer Rouge were and what their motivations were in the horror they committed?

In general I understand the politics and abuse of brutal genocide to wage a reign of terror to take control.

I'm talking about the mechanism by which individual will is hijacked where people submit to the mob mentality out of fear. What makes one person a victim who refuses to be hijacked and is killed, as Hitler recruited people but those who refused were killed. But makes other people submit, not just temporarily until they can escape, but become engulfed as part of the mass rage and inhuman machine. That is the part these guys at dinner could not figure out. They are the type that would die trying to fight off evil. What turns an individual into part of an unthinking mob?

We can talk about political motives all day, and that doesn't explain the mechanism. If you can figure out that mechanism, can you prevent it from being manipulated and turning people into monsters. (That is where I would tie in that book that cited one case where a man possessed with Satanic voices and homicidal rage evaded the priest sent to exorcise him by walling himself in a warehouse with all his torture victims right before the mass rampage in Nanking. So there could be a connection between the demonic rage of serial killers and the mob mentality that fuels mass brutal genocides. If it is a similar mechanism, can it spread to infect a whole mob of people?)

[pladecalvo]

I took Emily for a ride on my bike yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcxcC7PgWNo&feature=related

[Orion]

(That is where I would tie in that book that cited one case where a man possessed with Satanic voices and homicidal rage evaded the priest sent to exorcise him by walling himself in a warehouse with all his torture victims right before the mass rampage in Nanking. So there could be a connection between the demonic rage of serial killers and the mob mentality that fuels mass brutal genocides. If it is a similar mechanism, can it spread to infect a whole mob of people?)

Well...You had me interested in a discussion until I got to this part about Satanic voices and Demonic possession. You're on your own from here. Let me just grab my coat and I'll show myself out, thank you.

[emilynghiem]

Well...You had me interested in a discussion until I got to this part about Satanic voices and Demonic possession. You're on your own from here. Let me just grab my coat and I'll show myself out, thank you.

You can call it schizophrenia, delusional voices or hallucinations. Whatever it is, science can suppress it, but what does it take to get rid of the source of the sickness. To study how it gets inside, or carried from one person to the next, such as one abuse victim creating sickness in another abuse victim, means to find out how to remove it permanently, not just suppress symptoms.

[emilynghiem]

When an environmentalist points out there is pollution produced
that needs to be stopped at the source, the environmentalist is
not "causing" the pollution or making it worse by pointing it out.

Pointing out the madness and sickness that already exists
means I'm not in denial about it. Doesn't mean I cause it, or
carry it. Just pointing out what's already being researched.

Mad...quite MAD!! :eek:

“I heard all things in the heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell. How, then, am I mad?”

“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

[woofshepherd]

Biblestudy is hungry for compliments? And you offer him poison kool-aid?

Nah, I offer him a nice thick slice of T-bone steak nice and juicy. I say let the hungry feed, fellow brotheren.....LOL :D

[BibleStudy]

Nah, I offer him a nice thick slice of T-bone steak nice and juicy. I say let the hungry feed, fellow brotheren.....LOL :D
I don't eat too much meat. You can let your husband have my part of the steak. I kinda like beets, brussel sprouts, organic brown rice, salad. Am doing a lame gluten free diet right now. I do like chicken and esp fish. Turkey too. Yum Yum. Had it last weekend. Leftovers went into turkey soup. Trying to be careful about Turkey on thanksgiving, just to make my own little quiet statement.
Well every day is thanksgiving for us. But just not gonna have the world tell me when to give thanks. Just like I don't let any religion tell me stuff I don't believe. Know what I mean woofy? LOL

[woofshepherd]

I don't eat too much meat. You can let your husband have my part of the steak. I kinda like beets, brussel sprouts, organic brown rice, salad. Am doing a lame gluten free diet right now. I do like chicken and esp fish. Turkey too. Yum Yum. Had it last weekend. Leftovers went into turkey soup. Trying to be careful about Turkey on thanksgiving, just to make my own little quiet statement.
Well every day is thanksgiving for us. But just not gonna have the world tell me when to give thanks. Just like I don't let any religion tell me stuff I don't believe. Know what I mean woofy? LOL

Indeed, although I'm being dragged over to the in-laws house tomorrow. I'd be nice if I got to say the prayer throw alittle of that giving thanks everyday not only tomorrow...LOL. Anyways, will try and make the most of it. Haven't spent too much time with the relatives, they're always too busy I guess they don't have an excuse tomorrow.. :D probably have my book bag in the back seat up and ready for any questions....HEHEHEHEHEHE ;)

[Anner]

Well...You had me interested in a discussion until I got to this part about Satanic voices and Demonic possession. You're on your own from here. Let me just grab my coat and I'll show myself out, thank you.

Orion, do you believe in those things???

[woofshepherd]

Orion, do you believe in those things???

I don't think he does, he doesn't believe in God or demons/devil stuff...he was grabbing his coat :D

[woofshepherd]

Hey Samson, find me an avatar...you seem to be good at finding'em. :D

[woofshepherd]

[QUOTE=Samson;727366]Beef: Its what's for dinner.



I just vomited.

[Samson]

Hey Samson, find me an avatar...you seem to be good at finding'em. :D

I don't know enough 'bout you.

I hate to define you as just PW. Don't you have any sexual deviations? Other Bad Habits?;)

Here's something I just whipped out:

http://www.sfgate.com/g/pictures/2003/10/20/tiger.jpg

[woofshepherd]

I don't know enough 'bout you.

I hate to define you as just PW. Don't you have any sexual deviations? Other Bad Habits?;)

Here's something I just whipped out:

http://www.sfgate.com/g/pictures/2003/10/20/tiger.jpg

I should of known better....:rolleyes: :D

[BibleStudy]

I should of known better....:rolleyes: :D
Ya, Stay away from Samson.
I think he has long hair, and super-strength. He can tear the house down with his bare hands, and break a lions jaw-bone. But he's weak for the ladies. I think that's how it goes.

[woofshepherd]

Ya, Stay away from Samson.
I think he has long hair, and super-strength. He can tear the house down with his bare hands, and break a lions jaw-bone. But he's weak for the ladies. I think that's how it goes.

Hey I think you need to get ya a avatar BSC.

[BibleStudy]

Hey I think you need to get ya a avatar BSC.
Well don't ask Samson to help; don't ask Plad; don't ask Emily; Not lively, not Orion, not Cusco.
I don't know, what's Wouldhe like? He have a clean mind?

Na, just give me another topic to post. That oughta do it. LOL LOL LOL

[emilynghiem]

Well every day is thanksgiving for us. But just not gonna have the world tell me when to give thanks. Just like I don't let any religion tell me stuff I don't believe. Know what I mean woofy? LOL

Hey BSC. If you can understand why you would not want to be told WHEN to celebrate thanks, maybe you can understand why someone would not want to be told NOT to celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc.

The same way you perceive it as "the world" (when it's someone's "worldly" beliefs you don't share) telling you to do something, other people perceive your beliefs the same way, as someone's religion they don't believe in either.

This is what I mean by having a "bias."

Biases are relative. So what seems right for you, seems foreign to other people who don't appreciate you telling them what holidays to celebrate.

Similar objections on both sides. Hope you can understand it is MUTUAL.

[BibleStudy]

Hey BSC. If you can understand why you would not want to be told WHEN to celebrate thanks, maybe you can understand why someone would not want to be told NOT to celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc. . . . .
Bingo. We don't tell people what to do and what NOT to do. Your comment does not fit anything about JWs. In all my years, I can't remember ever telling anyone but our children, what they should or should not do. I do not touch the 'free will' of others.
We teach people what the Bible really teaches. People can make a choice as to whether they will obey the truth of God's word or not.
People ask me all the time 'What should I do, in this situation or that situation.' I have no right to tell them what they should do. I am not their God. I show them from God's word what it says on a matter, then they are equiped to make their own choice.
So please quit reading stuff into things, that are not there. That is your problem. You can't differentiate between different pieces of information. You form you opinions, and are stuck in fast gear.

[emilynghiem]

Dear Biblestudy:

Whether you acknowledge it or not, when you talk in terms of "we" teach this and that, and when the JW use (or abuse) DF to influence members, then you are using social pressure to try to justify to yourself or others what you believe. So people who "respond" to the need to fit into a group ARE manipulated or COERCED into following things out of fear of rejection.

If you were SOLELY using reason and free will, and respecting the right of conscience, you would give enough information so people would decide by informed consent. You would have faith the truth speaks for itself, without emotional coercion, especially threat of losing social relations. But even here, you have FAILED to explain the reasons to believe in one thing or another. So the motivation is all "external" based on whether you want to be approved and accepted, or rejected by JW.

If you notice, secular people like me on here try to EXPLAIN, using reason and consequences, such as positive or negative effects relationships or health, to show the cause and effect using PROVABLE evidence.

So that is the difference.

You are just citing, and then when people disagree or discredit you or JW, then you start trying to "justify" your reputation by collective association.

That STILL does not answer the questions of WHY behind the beliefs.

NOTE: In order to explain WHY and HOW you can protect life equally without blood transfusions, even proving Spiritual Healing would help seal that argument! So sooner or later, this will have to be proven medically. And there will be no more need to debate this on "faith-based" grounds if there is science behind it.

That is an example of the difference.

If you used scientific research to prove your points, then you wouldn't have to use propaganda, such as citing good things "other JW" have done (and denying bad things) to try to justify your position that way.

And Biblestudy, if you do not EVEN HAVE KNOWLEDGE of spiritual healing, then you are NOT making decisions by informed consent yourself! So how can you teach others to choose freely if YOU are not even doing so!

Bingo. We don't tell people what to do and what NOT to do. Your comment does not fit anything about JWs. In all my years, I can't remember ever telling anyone but our children, what they should or should not do. I do not touch the 'free will' of others.
We teach people what the Bible really teaches. People can make a choice as to whether they will obey the truth of God's word or not.
People ask me all the time 'What should I do, in this situation or that situation.' I have no right to tell them what they should do. I am not their God. I show them from God's word what it says on a matter, then they are equiped to make their own choice.
So please quit reading stuff into things, that are not there. That is your problem. You can't differentiate between different pieces of information. You form you opinions, and are stuck in fast gear.

An important distinction you fail to make:

Do you notice that when members of the JW have abused collective authority, then you separate yourself from that and say that was just some other people who did that and "not JW."

But when you want to take credit for something positive, SUDDENLY what 'other JW' members have done is a reflection on you?

But when it comes to other groups, you do not give this same courtesy. You collectively judged and blamed other Christians for adultery, abortion, etc. instead of distinguishing WHICH people did what. But when it comes to JW, you only claim the good credits of your group, and then claim anything bad was done by people who are no longer members, which isn't true either.

Biblestudy, if you knew me, you would see that I try to distinguish both the good and the bad, the strengths and weakness of each person and each group, and consider all sides. Honestly with this JW, I have had the HARDEST time to find the points I can agree and align with. The one area where I thought we might agree, on respecting civil laws, the JW seem to renounce all responsibility to others. That is the one place I believe could best benefit from the JW model of DF, and it has never been considered!

[emilynghiem]

Hey I think you need to get ya a avatar BSC.

Here ya go. You're Welcome!

[pladecalvo]

Here ya go. You're Welcome!

This one is better.

http://forums.backpage.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11048&stc=1&d=1259396331

[emilynghiem]

This one is better.

http://forums.backpage.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11048&stc=1&d=1259396331

Wrong Cult, Plad! This is clearly the "Smurf Trinity"
(Papa Smurf, Smurf Jesus, and Holy Smurf,
where together all three are Smurf. Smurf is the Word!)

The Borg do not believe in such Heresy!
In the beginning was the Borg, and the Borg
was with God, and the Borg was a god. Borg is the Word!

Clearly not from the same planet.

[woofshepherd]

Well don't ask Samson to help; don't ask Plad; don't ask Emily; Not lively, not Orion, not Cusco.
I don't know, what's Wouldhe like? He have a clean mind?

Na, just give me another topic to post. That oughta do it. LOL LOL LOL

Here's one you might like...

[Samson]

Wrong Cult, Plad! This is clearly the "Smurf Trinity"
(Papa Smurf, Smurf Jesus, and Holy Smurf,
where together all three are Smurf. Smurf is the Word!)

The Borg do not believe in such Heresy!
In the beginning was the Borg, and the Borg
was with God, and the Borg was a god. Borg is the Word!

Clearly not from the same planet.

http://wurzeltod.ch/wurzelforum/Smileys/phpbb/borgsmile.gifhttp://wurzeltod.ch/wurzelforum/Smileys/phpbb/borgsmile.gifhttp://wurzeltod.ch/wurzelforum/Smileys/phpbb/borgsmile.gifhttp://wurzeltod.ch/wurzelforum/Smileys/phpbb/borgsmile.gifhttp://wurzeltod.ch/wurzelforum/Smileys/phpbb/borgsmile.gifhttp://wurzeltod.ch/wurzelforum/Smileys/phpbb/borgsmile.gifhttp://wurzeltod.ch/wurzelforum/Smileys/phpbb/borgsmile.gifhttp://wurzeltod.ch/wurzelforum/Smileys/phpbb/borgsmile.gif

[BibleStudy]

Here's one you might like...
That avitar was pretty good.

But woofy, what's up with this sarcasm thingy they all have about me. I think it's overworked and exaggerated. Do they just can't handle it, so they have to pounce on something. LOL LOL Least I don't cuss and swear. Least I don't speak derogatory to them. Gotta give me a couple of points, eh?

Well our ministry was in the rain today all morning. I think most people out doing their big weekend shopping, getting ready for their Xmas thingy.
I've always wondered what all this aura of 'compulsaryness' about gift giving, has to do with the spirit of anything Christian. And then having children believe it was some Santa that brings gifts, what does that have to do with 'truth'. I guess we just see things differently. I kinda like it where we're at. Don't miss a thing about it. Good ridance for us, eh? What a blessing from Jehovah, to be rid of all their self-imposed pressure.
Emily thinks we actually tell people NOT to celebrate Xmas. LOL Too funny. I wouldn't tell anyone not to do that (except my children). Let them all go into debt. Let them all promote their lies. You know there probably is nothing of truth about all the Xmas stories. Even the story of the 3 wise men. That's a lie. Is not found in the Bible. Just one big pack of lies. But many love it that way. At least one people are known as being different. Wonder who they are? (oops ~~ was that sarcastic again? I guess that's what they just c**a**n** ' **t take. LOL Them weakies, thems-all.)
Hey have a good day. BSC

[woofshepherd]

That avitar was pretty good.

But woofy, what's up with this sarcasm thingy they all have about me. I think it's overworked and exaggerated. Do they just can't handle it, so they have to pounce on something. LOL LOL Least I don't cuss and swear. Least I don't speak derogatory to them. Gotta give me a couple of points, eh?

Well our ministry was in the rain today all morning. I think most people out doing their big weekend shopping, getting ready for their Xmas thingy.
I've always wondered what all this aura of 'compulsaryness' about gift giving, has to do with the spirit of anything Christian. And then having children believe it was some Santa that brings gifts, what does that have to do with 'truth'. I guess we just see things differently. I kinda like it where we're at. Don't miss a thing about it. Good ridance for us, eh? What a blessing from Jehovah, to be rid of all their self-imposed pressure.
Emily thinks we actually tell people NOT to celebrate Xmas. LOL Too funny. I wouldn't tell anyone not to do that (except my children). Let them all go into debt. Let them all promote their lies. You know there probably is nothing of truth about all the Xmas stories. Even the story of the 3 wise men. That's a lie. Is not found in the Bible. Just one big pack of lies. But many love it that way. At least one people are known as being different. Wonder who they are? (oops ~~ was that sarcastic again? I guess that's what they just c**a**n** ' **t take. LOL Them weakies, thems-all.)
Hey have a good day. BSC

LOL, I always liked that ol scrooge character in the movie x-mas carol or whatever its called....BHAH HUMBUG! LOL....x-mas is overrated, big money making business joke. Whole x-mas story is a bunch of lies. I just can't figure out why the atheist celebrate x-mas even though they don't believe in Jesus and such. I guess it's just all the pressure of gift giving, ya know who gives the best and biggest gift and all that. :rolleyes: BHAH HUMBUG I say BHAH HUMBUG it all! bunch of lies. Rather give gifts on "surprise" days, gifts that are from the heart and not just because everyone else is giving and I would look like a idiot if I don't give you something on x-mas....

[BibleStudy]

LOL, I always liked that ol scrooge character in the movie x-mas carol or whatever its called....BHAH HUMBUG! LOL....x-mas is overrated, big money making business joke. Whole x-mas story is a bunch of lies. I just can't figure out why the atheist celebrate x-mas even though they don't believe in Jesus and such. I guess it's just all the pressure of gift giving, ya know who gives the best and biggest gift and all that. :rolleyes: BHAH HUMBUG I say BHAH HUMBUG it all! bunch of lies. Rather give gifts on "surprise" days, gifts that are from the heart and not just because everyone else is giving and I would look like a idiot if I don't give you something on x-mas....
You hit the nail on the head. Wow do those JWs got you brainwashed. LOL Me too I guess. I guess our brains needed a good washing. Need a little smiley face to mop our heads clean. LOL

[Wouldhe]

I don't know enough 'bout you.

I hate to define you as just PW. Don't you have any sexual deviations? Other Bad Habits?;)

Here's something I just whipped out:

http://www.sfgate.com/g/pictures/2003/10/20/tiger.jpg

Meow-meow-meeeeeoooowwww!

[Cusco]

Even the story of the 3 wise men. That's a lie. Is not found in the Bible. Just one big pack of lies.

We assume that there were three wise men because of the three gifts that were given: gold, incense, and myrrh Matthew 2:11 . However, the Bible does not say there were only three wise men. There could have been many more.

It is a common misconception that the wise men visited Jesus at the stable on the night of His birth. In fact, the wise men came days, months, or possibly even years later. That is why Matthew 2:11 says the wise men visited and worshiped Jesus in a house, not at the stable.


Matthew
2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Looks like it back to bible study 101 for you :rolleyes:

Cusco

[pladecalvo]

Matthew
2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, ....

Unless you believe Luke....who says he was born in 6CE....a difference of 10 years.

[Cusco]

Unless you believe Luke....who says he was born in 6CE....a difference of 10 years.

Yes very true point, I did not want to confuse the Putz, with to many points at one time.

On his flawed story that there were no wise men, or "Astrologers" as the JW's version of the bible was concerned.

Where is a Nun when you need one to whack him across his knuckles with a ruler? :p;)

Aw what the hell he's already confused

When was Jesus born?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????


Before 4 BCE.
Matthew 2:1 (http://forums.backpage.com/mt/2.html/l1)
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king.
Luke 1:5 (http://forums.backpage.com/lk/1.html/l5)
There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Herod the Great died in 4 BCE.

After 6 CE.
Luke 2:1 (http://forums.backpage.com/lk/2.html/l1)
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
Quirinius became governer of Syria in 6 CE, ten years after king Herod's death.


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Cusco

[woofshepherd]

Yes very true point, I did not want to confuse the Putz, with to many points at one time.

On his flawed story that there were no wise men, or "Astrologers" as the JW's version of the bible was concerned.

Where is a Nun when you need one to whack him across his knuckles with a ruler? :p;)

Aw what the hell he's already confused

When was Jesus born?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????


Before 4 BCE.
Matthew 2:1 (http://forums.backpage.com/mt/2.html/l1)
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king.
Luke 1:5 (http://forums.backpage.com/lk/1.html/l5)
There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Herod the Great died in 4 BCE.

After 6 CE.
Luke 2:1 (http://forums.backpage.com/lk/2.html/l1)
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
Quirinius became governer of Syria in 6 CE, ten years after king Herod's death.


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Well he wasn't born December 25th thats for sure like EVERYONE thinks. :rolleyes:

[Cusco]

Well he wasn't born December 25th thats for sure like EVERYONE thinks. :rolleyes:

That is a very true statement.

Jesus (if there was one) was born most likely mid or late sping. the dates can be argued but that would be the time. The Catholic church moved the date in order to compete with other pagan holidays and a jewish holiday.

The shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:7-8). Shepherds were not in the fields during December.

Luke's account "suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night"

Cusco

[Samson]

The Catholic church moved the date in order to compete with other pagan holidays and a jewish holiday.


Cusco

Yep.

[Anner]

You can't differentiate between different pieces of information. You form you opinions, and are stuck in fast gear.


i agree, she cannot get past the df thing, she knows so much about, you know??? LOL :D

[Anner]

We assume

yes you assume, you know what that means??? :rolleyes:

[Samson]

yes you assume, you know what that means??? :rolleyes:

I assume you're new Avatar is of The Goddess Athena?

:)

[Cusco]

yes you assume, you know what that means??? :rolleyes:



"We assume that there were three wise men because of the three gifts that were given: gold, incense, and myrrh Matthew 2:11 . However, the Bible does not say there were only three wise men. There could have been many more."
　
Come on Anner, if your going to Quote me Quote the whole line... the word "WE" as in collectivley the whole world "WE"

Bible study said that no where in the bible does it mention that there were wise men.... and I PROVED him wrong,
so what your point?
　
I ASSUMED you are a JW
I ASSUMED you and he are under the same bible teachings
I ASSUMED you to be smart enough to figure that out
I ASSUMED wrong

Cusco

[woofshepherd]

That is a very true statement.

Jesus (if there was one) was born most likely mid or late sping. the dates can be argued but that would be the time. The Catholic church moved the date in order to compete with other pagan holidays and a jewish holiday.

The shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:7-8). Shepherds were not in the fields during December.

Luke's account "suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night"

Cusco

;)