Sex was created for reproduction or for having fun?

[Groucho]

Hey guys I need your feed back on this.

There's a huge thread going on about this subject on another forum (not mine) and the argument was this:

Some stated that sex was primarily created for reproduction. Like, this is what the creater primarily had in mind when he invented sex. In this argument people have taken as an example the animals and find it hard to believe that they are having sex because they are in love with each other, etc.

Others have stated that it is not the case. It was made for love making and fun {primarily)

I would earnestly appreciate your thoughts in this one. Referances to biblical statements, scientific quotations will be great.

Thanks, people.

[TheGrizz]

Hey guys I need your feed back on this.

There's a huge thread going on about this subject on another forum (not mine) and the argument was this:

Some stated that sex was primarily created for reproduction. Like, this is what the creater primarily had in mind when he invented sex. In this argument people have taken as an example the animals and find it hard to believe that they are having sex because they are in love with each other, etc.

Others have stated that it is not the case. It was made for love making and fun {primarily)

I would earnestly appreciate your thoughts in this one. Referances to biblical statements, scientific quotations will be great.

Thanks, people.


GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY!!!!

and who says math can't be fun?:p

[richdon03]

GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY!!!!

and who says math can't be fun?:p

Damn, Grizz. You are a GENIUS!

You're right. If it weren't fun, we wouldn't do it (kinda messy and all), therefor, there would be no reproduction.

It was created for reproduction, so he added a kind of pleasure that you can't find many other places, unless you have a goat. :eek:

[singerno2]

Damn, Grizz. You are a GENIUS!

You're right. If it weren't fun, we wouldn't do it (kinda messy and all), therefor, there would be no reproduction.ZGod created so much pain he thought he would give us some intense pleasure thanks be to god :p

It was created for reproduction, so he added a kind of pleasure that you can't find many other places, unless you have a goat. :eek:your right God created so much pain in this life he or she decided to give us some intense pleasure thanks be to god :p

[TheGrizz]

Damn, Grizz. You are a GENIUS!

You're right. If it weren't fun, we wouldn't do it (kinda messy and all), therefor, there would be no reproduction.

It was created for reproduction, so he added a kind of pleasure that you can't find many other places, unless you have a goat. :eek:

I think it was not always this way....in the beginning it was just for fun, and reproduction was a matter of the male inserting his middle finger up the females nose....not really pleasant for either participant. The Almighty soon realized that we were soo busy having fun, that we were oblivious to our own impending extinction. Hence the reproductive process was combined with the fun stuff.
However, nosepickings past is still embedded in our subconcious minds, which is why we treat it like sex....telling our children to abstain from both:cool:

[Hottomalie2]

GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY!!!!

and who says math can't be fun?:p

Sex was (in biblical times) part of procreation. They had sex for simply just that and to please their man. Over time sex has become more recreation than pro-creation. Married couples enjoy sex together and are hoping that they procreate so that two hearts merge into one and become a child to carry on their legacy and love.

[Mercury_Maniac]

Married couples enjoy sex together and are hoping that they procreate so that two hearts merge into one and become a child to carry on their legacy and love.




does this shit actually happen?

[STUDMAN]

Sex was (in biblical times) part of procreation. They had sex for simply just that and to please their man. Over time sex has become more recreation than pro-creation. Married couples enjoy sex together and are hoping that they procreate so that two hearts merge into one and become a child to carry on their legacy and love.

This is the correct answer. Smart lady. Very astute.

[Rudedog]

Sex was (in biblical times) part of procreation. They had sex for simply just that and to please their man. Over time sex has become more recreation than pro-creation. Married couples enjoy sex together and are hoping that they procreate so that two hearts merge into one and become a child to carry on their legacy and love.


Hmmm yeah...what she said~

[Hottomalie2]

This is the correct answer. Smart lady. Very astute.
thank you kind sir. Although I have been watching "Rome", I was raised a Catholic girl ;)

[Rudedog]

thank you kind sir. Although I have been watching "Rome", I was raised a Catholic girl ;)


I loved that last episode....man, talking about angry sex~

[Hottomalie2]

does this shit actually happen?
yees, or else you would not be here right asking that question ;)


And yes, married couples have sex to not only get down and dirty, but to have a child together. The child is a proof of their love and commitment to each other.

[Hottomalie2]

I loved that last episode....man, talking about angry sex~
In Roman times men had sex to fullfill their needs and did not consider or care at all about their partners. Homosexuality was big back then too, just not classified as homosexuality, just a way of life. Sex was just sex back then with very little feeling.

[Mercury_Maniac]

yees, or else you would not be here right asking that question ;)


And yes, married couples have sex to not only get down and dirty, but to have a child together. The child is a proof of their love and commitment to each other.



must be nice

[Hottomalie2]

must be nice
you are still young. Be patient and it will happen

[Mercury_Maniac]

yeah but time is running out

[Hottomalie2]

yeah but time is running out
you are what, 24 years old? PULEEEEZE! I was 30 before I got married and 27 before I even found him.

[Mercury_Maniac]

i'm 23


if nothing happens before i'm 25 i might as well forget it

[topdog11]

yees, or else you would not be here right asking that question ;)


And yes, married couples have sex to not only get down and dirty, but to have a child together. The child is a proof of their love and commitment to each other.


Oh NO we Don't!!!!

Quit doing that years ago!!!! lol!

[Hottomalie2]

i'm 23


if nothing happens before i'm 25 i might as well forget it
With that attitude, you should. Had I given up then I would still be single. I have told you this MAAAAAAAAAAAAANY times before and this will be the last time I tell you. Be patient, get a better attitude about yourself and let things happen when they happen.

[Hottomalie2]

Oh NO we Don't!!!!

Quit doing that years ago!!!! lol!
And then there are others who just have sex for the hell of it! :D

[AndyTampa]

If sex was only to produce a child, nobody would be doing it. The Lord made it fun to perpetuate the species. You can't really compare us to the animals because we are more complex than that. Animals rely on their instincts to survive. There isn't alot of romance in an animals life either.

Our free will and religious morals give is the ability to abstain from the pleasure. The pleasure is what drives our instincts to have sex. The human aspect, or free will, is the part that finds ways to prevent pregnancy while still enjoying the act.

We are animals, but we decide to have sex or create babies. If there were no pleasure and we were left to our own devices, we would have been extinct long ago.

I'm sure the animals derive pleasure from it too. But, just like humans, sex only happens when she's ready for it.

[Mercury_Maniac]

With that attitude, you should. Had I given up then I would still be single. I have told you this MAAAAAAAAAAAAANY times before and this will be the last time I tell you. Be patient, get a better attitude about yourself and let things happen when they happen.



i have this attitude because i've tried being patient.

i don't know what to do anymore.

[Mom]

Oh NO we Don't!!!!

Quit doing that years ago!!!! lol!
I sure hope I did

[FortyNfun]

i have this attitude because i've tried being patient.

i don't know what to do anymore.


Merc,

The first thing you have to do is get some confidence, I'm not talking about being egotistical or arragant. I mean standing tall, smiling, looking people in the eye, LISTENING, shaking hands, opening doors, being HAPPY, polite, if things are working out for you in your current situation, change your situation, different friends, different gym, different job,
ok, try this, get a p/t job as a bartender, become the Tom Cruise of your local tavern, if you can't trick em with your charm and wit...get em hammered! ALCOHOL, been creating sexual activities and promiscuityfor years!

[ArmySoldier]

Claim: Bonobos and dolphins are the only animals other than humans who engage in sex for pleasure.
Status: True.
The claim is true for a very specific definition of "sex for pleasure," which in this case is copulation between the male and female of a species where such activity is completely separated from the purpose of fertilization. That is, in only a couple of animal species other than humans will males and females willingly (and regularly) engage in sex with each other even when there is no possibility that offspring will be produced as a result. (Note that this definition specifically excludes homosexual and masturbatory activity, as neither of those categories involves male-female pairings.)
Females of most animal species give off detectable signals when they are fertile: a change in appearance, a distinctive smell, the production of particular sounds, or specific signalling behaviors. They do this because a number of factors makes engaging in sex an expensive and risky proposition:
• Males need to expend precious energy to produce sperm, hunt for potential mates, attract females, fight off rivals, and complete the mating process.
• The mating process takes time away from other vital activities, such as hunting for food or caring for previous offspring.
• Mating pairs are vulnerable to attack from predators or enemies.
• Competition for females often results in injury or death to males (and sometimes even the females themselves).
For reasons such as these, many animals cannot afford to "waste" the effort of engaging in sex when there is no possibility that their genes will be passed on to another generation through the production of offspring. (Reproduction may be impossible when the female is not yet sexually mature, is not ovulating, is already pregnant, is still caring for young from a previous pregnancy, or is past reproductive age.) Therefore, in most species females produce signs detectable by males that indicate when they are ovulating and fertilization is possible. Both sexes can then avoid the risks associated with the mating process when the effort will be fruitless. (If males try anyway, their attempts will be rebuffed by the females).
Human females, however, are one of the few members of the animal world to undergo what is known as "concealed ovulation." This means that the human male has no reliable method of discerning when a particular female is fertile (and, outside the use of modern technology, women themselves can't really tell when they are ovulating). We don't know for sure the reasons why human females developed concealed ovulation through the evolutionary process, but the general belief is that it helped to ensure that males stayed with their mates and assisted with the child-rearing process. (The theory is that a male would be more likely to stay with one female if she were receptive to sex all the time and not just when she was fertile; that a male could not be certain whether he had successfully impregnated a female who engaged in sex even when she was not ovulating and therefore had to stick around to make sure he completed the task; that a male was less likely to go off in search of other mates when he had no way of knowing when they were fertile either; and that since a male did not know when his mate was ovulating and subject to being impregnated by other males, he had to stay around to defend against the intrusion of rivals.)
Therefore, we say that we humans engage in "sex for pleasure" not just because sex is something we consider to "feel good," but because it meets the criterion specified above: both men and women willingly engage in sex even though neither one of them may know for certain that the woman is fertile, and even at times when fertilization is impossible (such as when the woman is already pregnant or is post-menopausal). We know that a few (and only a few) species other than humans behave in a manner consistent with our definition of "sex for pleasure." Female bonobos (also known as pygmy chimpanzees), for example, are receptive to sex for several weeks before and after ovulation, and male bonobos will engage in sex with them even though they know the females are not fertile. Dolphins, too, frequently mate even when the female is not fertile.
Of course, we have to make many seemingly artificial distinctions to arrive at our conclusion. Animals other than humans have no awareness that their sexual activities are connected with reproduction: They engage in sex because they're biologically driven to do so, and if the fulfillment of their urges produces a physical sensation we might appropriately call "pleasure," it isn't the least bit affected by the possibility (or impossibility) of producing offspring. We are also discounting cases in which animals do engage in sex even though reproduction is an impossibility, because we claim there are other "purposes" (of which the animals themselves are unaware) at play. (For example, the females of some species of birds will invite males to mate with them even after they have laid their eggs, but we ascribe a purpose to this behavior: this is a biological "trick" to fool males into caring for hatchlings they didn't father.) We also employ subjective terms such as "willingly" and "regularly" in claiming that bonobos and dolphins are the only other animals who "willingly (and regularly) engage in sex with each other even when there is no possibility that offspring will be produced as a result," and even then it may be the case that these species have some other "purpose" for doing so that we haven't yet discovered.
Perhaps the most important concept to be learned here is that although humans naturally tend to think of their behavior as "normal" and consider the habits of other animals to be departures from the norm, in many ways -- especially in our sexual behavior -- we are quite exceptional.

[TheGrizz]

Claim: Bonobos and dolphins are the only animals other than humans who engage in sex for pleasure.
Status: True.
The claim is true for a very specific definition of "sex for pleasure," which in this case is copulation between the male and female of a species where such activity is completely separated from the purpose of fertilization. That is, in only a couple of animal species other than humans will males and females willingly (and regularly) engage in sex with each other even when there is no possibility that offspring will be produced as a result. (Note that this definition specifically excludes homosexual and masturbatory activity, as neither of those categories involves male-female pairings.)
Females of most animal species give off detectable signals when they are fertile: a change in appearance, a distinctive smell, the production of particular sounds, or specific signalling behaviors. They do this because a number of factors makes engaging in sex an expensive and risky proposition:
• Males need to expend precious energy to produce sperm, hunt for potential mates, attract females, fight off rivals, and complete the mating process.
• The mating process takes time away from other vital activities, such as hunting for food or caring for previous offspring.
• Mating pairs are vulnerable to attack from predators or enemies.
• Competition for females often results in injury or death to males (and sometimes even the females themselves).
For reasons such as these, many animals cannot afford to "waste" the effort of engaging in sex when there is no possibility that their genes will be passed on to another generation through the production of offspring. (Reproduction may be impossible when the female is not yet sexually mature, is not ovulating, is already pregnant, is still caring for young from a previous pregnancy, or is past reproductive age.) Therefore, in most species females produce signs detectable by males that indicate when they are ovulating and fertilization is possible. Both sexes can then avoid the risks associated with the mating process when the effort will be fruitless. (If males try anyway, their attempts will be rebuffed by the females).
Human females, however, are one of the few members of the animal world to undergo what is known as "concealed ovulation." This means that the human male has no reliable method of discerning when a particular female is fertile (and, outside the use of modern technology, women themselves can't really tell when they are ovulating). We don't know for sure the reasons why human females developed concealed ovulation through the evolutionary process, but the general belief is that it helped to ensure that males stayed with their mates and assisted with the child-rearing process. (The theory is that a male would be more likely to stay with one female if she were receptive to sex all the time and not just when she was fertile; that a male could not be certain whether he had successfully impregnated a female who engaged in sex even when she was not ovulating and therefore had to stick around to make sure he completed the task; that a male was less likely to go off in search of other mates when he had no way of knowing when they were fertile either; and that since a male did not know when his mate was ovulating and subject to being impregnated by other males, he had to stay around to defend against the intrusion of rivals.)
Therefore, we say that we humans engage in "sex for pleasure" not just because sex is something we consider to "feel good," but because it meets the criterion specified above: both men and women willingly engage in sex even though neither one of them may know for certain that the woman is fertile, and even at times when fertilization is impossible (such as when the woman is already pregnant or is post-menopausal). We know that a few (and only a few) species other than humans behave in a manner consistent with our definition of "sex for pleasure." Female bonobos (also known as pygmy chimpanzees), for example, are receptive to sex for several weeks before and after ovulation, and male bonobos will engage in sex with them even though they know the females are not fertile. Dolphins, too, frequently mate even when the female is not fertile.
Of course, we have to make many seemingly artificial distinctions to arrive at our conclusion. Animals other than humans have no awareness that their sexual activities are connected with reproduction: They engage in sex because they're biologically driven to do so, and if the fulfillment of their urges produces a physical sensation we might appropriately call "pleasure," it isn't the least bit affected by the possibility (or impossibility) of producing offspring. We are also discounting cases in which animals do engage in sex even though reproduction is an impossibility, because we claim there are other "purposes" (of which the animals themselves are unaware) at play. (For example, the females of some species of birds will invite males to mate with them even after they have laid their eggs, but we ascribe a purpose to this behavior: this is a biological "trick" to fool males into caring for hatchlings they didn't father.) We also employ subjective terms such as "willingly" and "regularly" in claiming that bonobos and dolphins are the only other animals who "willingly (and regularly) engage in sex with each other even when there is no possibility that offspring will be produced as a result," and even then it may be the case that these species have some other "purpose" for doing so that we haven't yet discovered.
Perhaps the most important concept to be learned here is that although humans naturally tend to think of their behavior as "normal" and consider the habits of other animals to be departures from the norm, in many ways -- especially in our sexual behavior -- we are quite exceptional.


while all this may be true.....I like my theory better:rolleyes:

[ArmySoldier]

while all this may be true.....I like my theory better:rolleyes:
Yeah...it was a lot shorter too.

[MochaChai]

I think it was not always this way....in the beginning it was just for fun, and reproduction was a matter of the male inserting his middle finger up the females nose....not really pleasant for either participant. The Almighty soon realized that we were soo busy having fun, that we were oblivious to our own impending extinction. Hence the reproductive process was combined with the fun stuff.
However, nosepickings past is still embedded in our subconcious minds, which is why we treat it like sex....telling our children to abstain from both:cool:

Damn inventive, Grizz!

[richdon03]

Sex was (in biblical times) part of procreation. They had sex for simply just that and to please their man. Over time sex has become more recreation than pro-creation. Married couples enjoy sex together and are hoping that they procreate so that two hearts merge into one and become a child to carry on their legacy and love.
This is gonna be difficult because I like you, but by reading your statement, I KNOW you grew up Catholic. Whether the hearts merge doesnt matter. All that matters is that the genitals (functional, of course) merge. I love my children and I'm glad I have them, but my son (conceived in marriage, mind you) was not produced from our hearts merging. We were on our honeymoon "celebrating" the notion that we weren't fornicating anymore. I was definitely not our HEARTS merging that brought him into the world. It was pure, unadulterated ....recreation. Only a church run by celibate men and women would tell you that sex should only be for reproduction.

My daughter was planned, but she was definitely a more result of our desire to recreate than to procreate. My wife just discontinued the shots. Nothing else changed. Come to think of it, when you see those two words so close to each other, it's like asking which came first? The chicken or the egg. Hmmmm. Do chickens cum?

[richdon03]

i'm 23


if nothing happens before i'm 25 i might as well forget it

I met my wife when I was 26 (She was 17, We didn't date until she was 18). We got married when I was 29 and she was 20. My son was born when I was 30. Be patient. The right one will come along. DON'T be in a hurry.

[ArmySoldier]

I met my wife when I was 26 (She was 17, We didn't date until she was 18). We got married when I was 29 and she was 20. My son was born when I was 30. Be patient. The right one will come along. DON'T be in a hurry.
You should know we are all going to want details...where, when and how did you meet?

[richdon03]

Oh, Jeez. by the way, Jane Fonda was hot when she was a dissident.

Anyway.... She worked for me.

Just as a reminder, I am African American. This is important for the story.

I was operating a donut shop in a very racist Italian town, which we now call home. This girl named Liz (fictitious) worked for me and her aunt, Gerry (fictitious) needed a job badly. I interviewed her and hated her right off the bat (bad attitude), but I hired her because she came with good references. I later found out that she had a bad attitude because she believed that "n**gers work for us, we don't work for them." She only took the job because she could work nights and she wouldn't have to work with me. Anyway, about a month later, she needed more hours and the only ones I had available were days.

During that month, I found that she was a great worker and she found that I was a workaholic. Always there, so we had to talk. She was charmed and , secretly, so was I, but she was WAY too young.

She began working days, and within the first few days, I found myself flirting with her and she flirted with me. Next thing I knew she was all I could think about. This was a really big deal because I had about 20 employees and all but two were females, and most of them cute and very willing. Don't let anyone ever tell you that it's a bad thing to be the only black guy in town.

Next thing I knew, she was volunteering to bake and come in a 3 a.m. Anything to be near and alone with me. She kept telling me to take her out. I kept telling her to talk to me when she was of age. Her boyfriend despised me. Well, she finally turned 18 and got REALLY aggressive. Two months after her 18th birthday, we went on our first date. She broke up with her boyfriend the next day and the rest, as they say, is history. We began dating in 1990, got married in 1992. Our son was born in 1993, nine months and twelve days after we got married, and our daughter was born in 1996. I got my vasectomy almost 6 years to-the-day after we had our first date.

By the way, she didn't tell her mother we were going out. When I arrived for our date, she was at her sister's house. Her mother made me wait in the car and took down my license plate number. Today, I could never imagine having anyone else as my mother-in-law or any better inlaws. she's the youngest of 10 children. As for her family and their initial concerns? She has the best lifestyle of any of her sisters. She has the largest house, drives a Jaguar, and is still married.

There ya go!

[ArmySoldier]

Well...see, that wasn't so hard was it?!

And quite interesting!!! I dated a "black girl" when I was at Bragg. My 1SG, who was black, very religious, hated "drinkers" and basically a complete ass, didn't approve and actually told this to my NCOIC. He suddenly needed me to do the weekend "safety" duty at Camp Mackall. Even though this wasn't a something our shop was responsible for, I was stuck doing it every weekend for 5 weeks. He also talked to her 1SG who told her that she shouldn't be seen with me, because she outranked me. She eventually caved, we broke up, my 1SG was arrested for hitting his wife (or girlfriend) in the face with a door and I moved on to bigger and better things. :cool:

[Otto]

Only a church run by celibate men and women would tell you that sex should only be for reproduction.
I knew I liked you for more than one reason. :)

[kellbell05]

you are what, 24 years old? PULEEEEZE! I was 30 before I got married and 27 before I even found him.

I am almost 34 and still haven't been married, but I hope that Paint makes me his wife here soon.....

[richdon03]

Well...see, that wasn't so hard was it?!

And quite interesting!!! I dated a "black girl" when I was at Bragg. My 1SG, who was black, very religious, hated "drinkers" and basically a complete ass, didn't approve and actually told this to my NCOIC. He suddenly needed me to do the weekend "safety" duty at Camp Mackall. Even though this wasn't a something our shop was responsible for, I was stuck doing it every weekend for 5 weeks. He also talked to her 1SG who told her that she shouldn't be seen with me, because she outranked me. She eventually caved, we broke up, my 1SG was arrested for hitting his wife (or girlfriend) in the face with a door and I moved on to bigger and better things. :cool:

As a rule, black men HATE to see black women with white men. It's just "unnatural." It's amazing that people are so closed-minded even today. A first sergeant in the Army? PuLease! isn't the army the most racially diverse branch of the service. I'll bet that guy has had more than his share of non-black tail in his career. I know my dad did. He was a Command Sergent Major when he retired about 20 years ago. So did my uncle(s).

[Groucho]

Thanks for the feedback, guys. :)

[Mercury_Maniac]

I met my wife when I was 26 (She was 17, We didn't date until she was 18). We got married when I was 29 and she was 20. My son was born when I was 30. Be patient. The right one will come along. DON'T be in a hurry.



with every day, week, month, year that passes, it brings me down.


don't keep telling me to be patient.

[Hottomalie2]

This is gonna be difficult because I like you, but by reading your statement, I KNOW you grew up Catholic. Whether the hearts merge doesnt matter. All that matters is that the genitals (functional, of course) merge. I love my children and I'm glad I have them, but my son (conceived in marriage, mind you) was not produced from our hearts merging. We were on our honeymoon "celebrating" the notion that we weren't fornicating anymore. I was definitely not our HEARTS merging that brought him into the world. It was pure, unadulterated ....recreation. Only a church run by celibate men and women would tell you that sex should only be for reproduction.

My daughter was planned, but she was definitely a more result of our desire to recreate than to procreate. My wife just discontinued the shots. Nothing else changed. Come to think of it, when you see those two words so close to each other, it's like asking which came first? The chicken or the egg. Hmmmm. Do chickens cum?
I said I grew up Catholic, it is no secret. and yes, there are some people who have sex to pro-create still. My husband and I plan our sex around that as well as just plain fun. Nothing wrong with it. Many people believe in the merging of souls, hearts and that forms a child. We were asked our opinions and that is mine.

[richdon03]

I said I grew up Catholic, it is no secret. and yes, there are some people who have sex to pro-create still. My husband and I plan our sex around that as well as just plain fun. Nothing wrong with it. Many people believe in the merging of souls, hearts and that forms a child. We were asked our opinions and that is mine.
There's nothing wrong with being Cathlolic. they have great schools and I like the uniforms the girls wear.

I'm not, in any way, trying to be ... difficult. Reproduction does not require a merging of the hearts, though I truly understand what you're saying. Both of my children were conceived in love, in the sense that they both came from the woman I consciously chose as their mother. However, the sex acts that conceived them were purely recreational. Now, it's all about recreation since procreation is no longer possible. I asure you that, whenever we engage in sex now, there is a merging of the hearts as well as the body, but conception is an impossibility. ;)

Regarding your comments about the Romans and sex. Isn't it ironic that Rome would end up being the foundation upon which the Catholic Church was built?

[richdon03]

with every day, week, month, year that passes, it brings me down.


don't keep telling me to be patient.

The risk of impatience is that you will rush into a situation that is less than ideal and eventually end up in a horrible divorce, or worse. Relax, have confidence in yourself, build up a nest egg, and focus on living and contributing to society. The more you contribute, the more you will be noticed. Then you can take your pick. If you're 23 and you've never had a girlfriend? Well, I don't know what to tell ya. I can't speak for you, but in most cases, we attract (or repel) poeple by our own actions. Also, don't fall for the idea that women want you to be their friend first. They decide whether they'll have sex with you within the first few minutes.

[Delhiman]

Life is fun and reproduction is one part of life :confused:

fun don't last long but
a few seconds fun give birth to the next civilisation

after all this was the motto of the ultimate creator