What will happen if the World Will unite against Terror

[Alexander the Great]

Today, I says the the Western World should unite
against the fundamentalistic Islam.

Unless we fight it, we are defeated.

We must arrest all the Terrorists,
and to make the Islamic countries to be opened to the west.

In Israel, there will never be peace.
Even though we have peace with some Arab
countries, they still wants to destroy Israel.

How can we make them less terror supporting?

I think, that countries as the US and Israel should
threat that they'll declare war unless the country arrest
this terrorists. And if they refuse,
they should be taken down, one by one in order to stop Terror.

This will become a total war, probably the Third World War, but against
the fundamentalistic Islam.

If the Islamic countries will unite,
they'll declare war against Israel in order
to make territorial Arab Empire.

The last thing the World needs is another Islamic Empire.
The 1st step is to conquer Iran and Pakistan because both have Nukes.
India can invade Pakistan from the east,
and the US will invade from Iraq.

After this threat is eliminated,
Israel will be has to manage invading Islamic forces from all her neighbors.

If Israel will be able to send force to the Nile, Cairo will fall, or Egypt will surrender at least.

The next job is Syria and Jordan ( I don't think of Lebanon because the Lebanese are the pupets of Syria ).

The Syrian border of Israel is close to Demascus.
We'll have to trick them as we've done to the Egyptians.

To bomb Demascus, and then, when Syria is weak, to invade.

Jordan will be the hardest.
The land is full of mountains and cilffs.
The US will invade from Iraq, and Israel from the West Bank.

I come back to Israel, and says that the West Bank and the Gaza Strip are like a Trojan Horse in Israel. They must be taken massively at the beginning.

The distant " Stans " will be conquered By Russia.

The war at the Indonesian archipelgo will be the hardest.

Each Island and Island should be taken.

Australia and Britain can do the Job.

North Africa will be within the last to be conquered.
After the Europeans will put order in the Muslim part of France
( they'll revolt ), Europe will invade North Africa from Spain.

Their forces will be on the way to Egypt, so they won't have
time to prepare for the conquest.

Saudi Arabia should be the last to be defeated.
Or, istead of defeated, to surrender.

The US will invade from the Persian Gulf,
and Israel from the Red Sea.

The cities of Mecca and Medina SHOULDN'T BE HARMED.

But, this war can be prevented, if the Muslims will stop supporting terrorism.

By my point of view, anyone who support terrorism, no matter for what reason,
is a terrorist.

[deelusion]

The world needs to relax on this whole terrorist idea its a waste of time to consume yourself with paranoia...What the world needs is to help save the rock were livin on..the last thing we need is this whole security Bullshit....and more young kids dying for Oil...

[>>Flyboy<<]

The world needs to relax on this whole terrorist idea its a waste of time to consume yourself with paranoia...What the world needs is to help save the rock were livin on..the last thing we need is this whole security Bullshit....and more young kids dying for Oil...


WOW - AND YOU'RE SO WORLDLY/ - I REMEMBER AND WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER 911. YOU THINK THOSE PEOPLE WHO DIED THAT DAY WERE THINKING ABOUT OIL? YOU SEEM YOUNG AND NIAVE - I'LL SAVE THE PLANET BY MAKING SURE THOUSANDS OF TERRORIST SEE ALLAH BEFORE ANOTHER 911 HAPPENS AGAIN. MAYBE AT THAT TIME YOU COULD STILL HUG YOUR FAVORITE TREE! :eek:

[Alexander the Great]

WOW - AND YOU'RE SO WORLDLY/ - I REMEMBER AND WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER 911. YOU THINK THOSE PEOPLE WHO DIED THAT DAY WERE THINKING ABOUT OIL? YOU SEEM YOUNG AND NIAVE - I'LL SAVE THE PLANET BY MAKING SURE THOUSANDS OF TERRORIST SEE ALLAH BEFORE ANOTHER 911 HAPPENS AGAIN. MAYBE AT THAT TIME YOU COULD STILL HUG YOUR FAVORITE TREE! :eek:


flyboy, don't waste your time on him.
Remeber the " hippies " I wrote about?
There's nothing you can get out from arguing with him.

[>>Flyboy<<]

flyboy, don't waste your time on him.
Remeber the " hippies " I wrote about?
There's nothing you can get out from arguing with him.

How right you are my friend! ;)

[Alexander the Great]

How right you are my friend! ;)


I've to deal with such people every day.

[anutherealgod]

You guys are straight retards alexander the great cMon i know theres now way in hell you have a woman or children...both of you this flyboy,the name alone tells me he has the I.Q of a soap rag...the whole terrorist paranoia has you guys by the Balls and how flyboy are you going to stop Thousands of terrorist???before another 911??Keep squakin,,,this whole administrations in cahoots with the saudis and every oil producing terrorist nations...why was the military on a full stand by no fly...durring the morning of 911,,,and when there were no planes to leave this soil,,,the bin ladden family allowed to board a plane and leave to saudi ???....You all need to get a life...are you related to David Icke in any way ???

[>>Flyboy<<]

You guys are straight retards alexander the great cMon i know theres now way in hell you have a woman or children...both of you this flyboy,the name alone tells me he has the I.Q of a soap rag...the whole terrorist paranoia has you guys by the Balls and how flyboy are you going to stop Thousands of terrorist???before another 911??Keep squakin,,,this whole administrations in cahoots with the saudis and every oil producing terrorist nations...why was the military on a full stand by no fly...durring the morning of 911,,,and when there were no planes to leave this soil,,,the bin ladden family allowed to board a plane and leave to saudi ???....You all need to get a life...are you related to David Icke in any way ???

You quote and cite half-truths, liberal folklore and other left-wing propaganda that was probably generated from Ward Churchill or Michael Moore (on a bad day). I would suggest Prozac or going back to school and completing the 7th grade and onward! (My IQ IS OVER 130) :p

[Alexander the Great]

You guys are straight retards alexander the great cMon i know theres now way in hell you have a woman or children...both of you this flyboy,the name alone tells me he has the I.Q of a soap rag...the whole terrorist paranoia has you guys by the Balls and how flyboy are you going to stop Thousands of terrorist???before another 911??Keep squakin,,,this whole administrations in cahoots with the saudis and every oil producing terrorist nations...why was the military on a full stand by no fly...durring the morning of 911,,,and when there were no planes to leave this soil,,,the bin ladden family allowed to board a plane and leave to saudi ???....You all need to get a life...are you related to David Icke in any way ???

If you already ask, my IQ is 132.

Michael Moore is a fanatic idiot, that done a film on his opinion,
not about the war.

We should destroy all terrorists, no matter how it'll be done.
Even with war on Iran/Syria/ Saudi Arabia/ North Korea/....

[The sweed]

Today, I says the the Western World should unite
against the fundamentalistic Islam.

Unless we fight it, we are defeated.

We must arrest all the Terrorists,
and to make the Islamic countries to be opened to the west.

In Israel, there will never be peace.
Even though we have peace with some Arab
countries, they still wants to destroy Israel.

How can we make them less terror supporting?

I think, that countries as the US and Israel should
threat that they'll declare war unless the country arrest
this terrorists. And if they refuse,
they should be taken down, one by one in order to stop Terror.

This will become a total war, probably the Third World War, but against
the fundamentalistic Islam.

If the Islamic countries will unite,
they'll declare war against Israel in order
to make territorial Arab Empire.

The last thing the World needs is another Islamic Empire.
The 1st step is to conquer Iran and Pakistan because both have Nukes.
India can invade Pakistan from the east,
and the US will invade from Iraq.

After this threat is eliminated,
Israel will be has to manage invading Islamic forces from all her neighbors.

If Israel will be able to send force to the Nile, Cairo will fall, or Egypt will surrender at least.

The next job is Syria and Jordan ( I don't think of Lebanon because the Lebanese are the pupets of Syria ).

The Syrian border of Israel is close to Demascus.
We'll have to trick them as we've done to the Egyptians.

To bomb Demascus, and then, when Syria is weak, to invade.

Jordan will be the hardest.
The land is full of mountains and cilffs.
The US will invade from Iraq, and Israel from the West Bank.

I come back to Israel, and says that the West Bank and the Gaza Strip are like a Trojan Horse in Israel. They must be taken massively at the beginning.

The distant " Stans " will be conquered By Russia.

The war at the Indonesian archipelgo will be the hardest.

Each Island and Island should be taken.

Australia and Britain can do the Job.

North Africa will be within the last to be conquered.
After the Europeans will put order in the Muslim part of France
( they'll revolt ), Europe will invade North Africa from Spain.

Their forces will be on the way to Egypt, so they won't have
time to prepare for the conquest.

Saudi Arabia should be the last to be defeated.
Or, istead of defeated, to surrender.

The US will invade from the Persian Gulf,
and Israel from the Red Sea.

The cities of Mecca and Medina SHOULDN'T BE HARMED.

But, this war can be prevented, if the Muslims will stop supporting terrorism.

By my point of view, anyone who support terrorism, no matter for what reason,
is a terrorist.

hmm ... These plans look like Adolf Hitlers plans for the 3rd reich. You need to calm down!

[>>Flyboy<<]

hmm ... These plans look like Adolf Hitlers plans for the 3rd reich. You need to calm down!

He may be a bit high strung, but maybe you need to visit what's left of the world trade center ;)

[The sweed]

He may be a bit high strung, but maybe you need to visit what's left of the world trade center ;)

Maybe you need to visit what's left of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, large parts of vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and a number of other places that has experienced what American warfare results in. ;)

Hiroshima: 192,000 (1995) This number is still rising btw. In 1995 5000 people were reported dead from radiation-caused leukaemia in Hiroshima.

Nagasaki: 150,000 (1992)

Vietnam: 3,100,000 vietnamese and 600,000 Cambodians, 58,226 americans

Iraq: more then 100,000 Iraqis, 1221 americans

Afghanistan: between 6,800 and 40,000 afghans (noone has bothered counting), 179 americans

9/11: 2996 americans

[The sweed]

In 2003, an estimated 17,013 people died in alcohol-related traffic crashes in the USA — an average of one every 31 minutes. These deaths constitute 40 percent of the 42,643 total traffic fatalities.

In 2003 USA Today reports that 3,500 teenagers died in traffic crashes.
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Just added this since I figured this would give you a perspective on things.

[>>Flyboy<<]

Maybe you need to visit what's left of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, large parts of vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and a number of other places that has experienced what American warfare results in. ;)

Hiroshima: 192,000 (1995) This number is still rising btw. In 1995 5000 people were reported dead from radiation-caused leukaemia in Hiroshima.

Nagasaki: 150,000 (1992)

Vietnam: 3,100,000 vietnamese and 600,000 Cambodians, 58,226 americans

Iraq: more then 100,000 Iraqis, 1221 americans

Afghanistan: between 6,800 and 40,000 afghans (noone has bothered counting), 179 americans

9/11: 2996 americans

don't care - at least we take a stand unlike you and your insignificient little country. The only thing sweeds are good for is porno and meatballs. I don't care if we have to nuke the world, all 911 victims will be avenged!

[The sweed]

don't care - at least we take a stand unlike you and your insignificient little country. The only thing sweeds are good for is porno and meatballs. I don't care if we have to nuke the world, all 911 victims will be avenged!

LOL, yeah, you do that. Nuke the whole world.

Who are the real terrorists? A few extreemists who crash a few planes into landmarks or a country who threatens to use nukes to destroy the world?

[Alexander the Great]

LOL, yeah, you do that. Nuke the whole world.

Who are the real terrorists? A few extreemists who crash a few planes into landmarks or a country who threatens to use nukes to destroy the world?


Everyone who support Terror.

[The sweed]

I agree but what is terror?

[Alexander the Great]

I agree but what is terror?


Using violence for frightning agaist civillians.
Don't compare Israel to that, because we kill Terrorists most of tthe time, and for those who call it a '' Genocide ", usually in Genocide the population tends to go down.

[The sweed]

more then 100,000 civilian Iraqis have died from US/UK violance in the past 2 years. Does this make US/UK terrorists?

[Alexander the Great]

more then 100,000 civilian Iraqis have died from US/UK violance in the past 2 years. Does this make US/UK terrorists?


Check how they died and tell me please.
There's differnce in diying out of terror, and out of war.

[The sweed]

Check how they died and tell me please.
There's differnce in diying out of terror, and out of war.

Isn't one sides terror the other sides war?
Is the UK/US violance any better just because they're using advanced fighterjets and cruisemissiles?
I see civilians dying and I can't see why one sides killing should be considered legit and the other sides not.

[>>Flyboy<<]

Isn't one sides terror the other sides war?
Is the UK/US violance any better just because they're using advanced fighterjets and cruisemissiles?
I see civilians dying and I can't see why one sides killing should be considered legit and the other sides not.

WE DON'T FLY JETS INTO ARAB SKYSCRAPERS! :mad:

[>>Flyboy<<]

LOL, yeah, you do that. Nuke the whole world.

Who are the real terrorists? A few extreemists who crash a few planes into landmarks or a country who threatens to use nukes to destroy the world?

I lost 6 friends on 9-11, perhaps we crash a 747 into the The Stockholm Royal Palace and let's see how you feel :eek:

[The sweed]

WE DON'T FLY JETS INTO ARAB SKYSCRAPERS! :mad:

No, instead you bomb them with radioactive bombs. Is that any better?

[The sweed]

I lost 6 friends on 9-11, perhaps we crash a 747 into the The Stockholm Royal Palace and let's see how you feel :eek:

I'm sorry for your loss I really am. And don't get me wrong, I don't support the terrorists. What they did on 9-11 is a appauling tradgedy, but I don't think starting a war on the entire muslim world is the sollution.

[Alexander the Great]

Isn't one sides terror the other sides war?
Is the UK/US violance any better just because they're using advanced fighterjets and cruisemissiles?
I see civilians dying and I can't see why one sides killing should be considered legit and the other sides not.


And civillians sometimes work for terror, dont they? :mad:

[The sweed]

And civillians sometimes work for terror, dont they? :mad:

Sometimes is the key word here I think. And if they are civilians and are part of supporting terrorists they should be prosecuted by a court of law, not bombed.

Personally though I consider anyone involved in terrorism to be a soldier and not a civilian.

[>>Flyboy<<]

No, instead you bomb them with radioactive bombs. Is that any better?

YOU MEAN DEPLEATED URANIUM - I THINK ITS GREAT! YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MILITARY ARMAMENT AND WHAT IS REALLY IN THOSE NASTY BOMBS DO YOU?!?

[>>Flyboy<<]

Sometimes is the key word here I think. And if they are civilians and are part of supporting terrorists they should be prosecuted by a court of law, not bombed.

So how do you bring them to justice, ask them over for tea?

Personally though I consider anyone involved in terrorism to be a soldier and not a civilian.

A SOLDIER? - A SOLDIER ON THE BATTLEFIELD IS A COMBATANT OF HONOR. IRAQI SOLDIERS UNDER SADDAM, THEY WERE HORNORABLE, EVEN THE TALIBAN, AT LEAST THEY CONFRONTED THEIR ENEMIES FACE TO FACE. A TERRORIST IS A COWARD, A COCKROACH WHO HIDES IN A DARK CORNER, USES WOMEN AND CHILDREN AS HIS ARMOR AND HAS TO WRAP HIS FACE TO PROTECT HIS IDENTITY.


- ITS APPARENT WHO YOU WOULD SUPPORT. :mad:

[The sweed]

YOU MEAN DEPLEATED URANIUM - I THINK ITS GREAT! YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MILITARY ARMAMENT AND WHAT IS REALLY IN THOSE NASTY BOMBS DO YOU?!?

How can you think this is great? Are you insane and on top of that a complete idiot? I think I know a lot more then you do about depleted uranium and the effects of this then you do!

[The sweed]

A SOLDIER? - A SOLDIER ON THE BATTLEFIELD IS A COMBATANT OF HONOR. IRAQI SOLDIERS UNDER SADDAM, THEY WERE HORNORABLE, EVEN THE TALIBAN, AT LEAST THEY CONFRONTED THEIR ENEMIES FACE TO FACE. A TERRORIST IS A COWARD, A COCKROACH WHO HIDES IN A DARK CORNER, USES WOMEN AND CHILDREN AS HIS ARMOR AND HAS TO WRAP HIS FACE TO PROTECT HIS IDENTITY.


- ITS APPARENT WHO YOU WOULD SUPPORT. :mad:

It's called guerilla tactics and is the only way to fight a much larger opponent, it's how 90% of all armies in the world train. You obviously know nothing about military tactics and modern warfare. Btw, this tactic was used one of the first time in the independance war after you had picked it up from the indians who were the experts on this. If not for guerilla warfare your country wouldn't exist! ;)

The last comment there is just stupid.

[>>Flyboy<<]

It's called guerilla tactics and is the only way to fight a much larger opponent, it's how 90% of all armies in the world train. You obviously know nothing about military tactics and modern warfare. Btw, this tactic was used one of the first time in the independance war after you had picked it up from the indians who were the experts on this. If not for guerilla warfare your country wouldn't exist! ;)

The last comment there is just stupid.

I DO KNOW ABOUT MILITARY TACTICS - served in the US military, guerilla tactics should be used against MILITARY TARGETS not civilians Mr. bleeding heart, only a coward would do such thing, and if you call the 911 attack a guerilla strike then I see you you went to the Bin Laden school of military tactics, or is that they way "Neutral" European countries are taught to fight? Where were you trained?. :D

[The sweed]

I DO KNOW ABOUT MILITARY TACTICS - served in the US military, guerilla tactics should be used against MILITARY TARGETS not civilians Mr. bleeding heart, only a coward would do such thing, and if you call the 911 attack a guerilla strike then I see you you went to the Bin Laden school of military tactics, or is that they way "Neutral" European countries are taught to fight? Where were you trained?. :D

I was trained in Sweden, but it wasn't until I went to Bosnia I realized how it's done for real. I spoke to a guy about ambush attacks and told him how we had been trained to do it. Use a few triggered roadside bombs, some at-rockets and suppressive fire, standard ambush. He just laughed ... and corrected me, use many roadside bombs at various locations, trigger them from far away and make sure the enemy never spots you. The worst thing that can happen to a soldier in war is if the enemy figures out your positions, if they do you're dead within a few minutes. The best way to fight the enemy he said is to disrupt their supply lines (usually porly armoured and defended) and make them fear you. Blow up supply convoys using artillery shells triggered with mobile phones and never put on a uniform ... it's a dead giveaway of who you are. I belive him and I think this is the only way of fighting a much larger opponent.

It's irrelative where you've recived your training and what they've told you there, what they teach you is bogus. They want you to be selfassured when driving around in your fueltruck, not deathscared you're gonna get blown up. The above senario is what US troops will always face when going to war since you have by far the largest mil power in the world and people generaly don't enjoy artillery rain.

[>>Flyboy<<]

I was trained in Sweden, but it wasn't until I went to Bosnia I realized how it's done for real. I spoke to a guy about ambush attacks and told him how we had been trained to do it. Use a few triggered roadside bombs, some at-rockets and suppressive fire, standard ambush. He just laughed ... and corrected me, use many roadside bombs at various locations, trigger them from far away and make sure the enemy never spots you. The worst thing that can happen to a soldier in war is if the enemy figures out your positions, if they do you're dead within a few minutes. The best way to fight the enemy he said is to disrupt their supply lines (usually porly armoured and defended) and make them fear you. Blow up supply convoys using artillery shells triggered with mobile phones and never put on a uniform ... it's a dead giveaway of who you are. I belive him and I think this is the only way of fighting a much larger opponent.

It's irrelative where you've recived your training and what they've told you there, what they teach you is bogus. They want you to be selfassured when driving around in your fueltruck, not deathscared you're gonna get blown up. The above senario is what US troops will always face when going to war since you have by far the largest mil power in the world and people generaly don't enjoy artillery rain.

And I consider that warfare, not planting a bomb in a crowded cafe or flying a plane into a building. In Bosnia you were in a war environment. The World Trade Center is a lot different than a UN convoy on a Bosnian Road. When I see a terrorist organization huddled in a territory fighting like a bunch of cowards, well taking anyone out standing does not affect my conscience. :cool:

[The sweed]

And I consider that warfare, not planting a bomb in a crowded cafe or flying a plane into a building. In Bosnia you were in a war environment. The World Trade Center is a lot different than a UN convoy on a Bosnian Road. When I see a terrorist organization huddled in a territory fighting like a bunch of cowards, well taking anyone out standing does not affect my conscience. :cool:

So because some confused and uneducated ppl flew into WTC a few years ago, killing 2996 ppl, that gives you the right to kill several 100,000 ppl all arond the world. I'm asking you to get a perspective!

[>>Flyboy<<]

So because some confused and uneducated ppl flew into WTC a few years ago, killing 2996 ppl, that gives you the right to kill several 100,000 ppl all arond the world. I'm asking you to get a perspective!

Confused and uneducated?!?! Mohamed Atta came from a rich Egyptian family, his father was a Doctor, he was educated in Europe. Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad, from a middle class family, volunteered in relief work, Marwan al-Shehhi, Egyptian, attending engineering school, I could go on but I think you might think Hitler was confused and uneducated as well.

But let's go back to another perspective, in WWII the Japanese army Killed 20 or 30 million Chinese and Koreans, let alone US and British casualties. We killed 500,000 during Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those pilots were confused and uneducated as well eh? You make as much sense as a screen door on a submarine! :confused:

[The sweed]

Confused and uneducated?!?! Mohamed Atta came from a rich Egyptian family, his father was a Doctor, he was educated in Europe. Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad, from a middle class family, volunteered in relief work, Marwan al-Shehhi, Egyptian, attending engineering school, I could go on but I think you might think Hitler was confused and uneducated as well.

But let's go back to another perspective, in WWII the Japanese army Killed 20 or 30 million Chinese and Koreans, let alone US and British casualties. We killed 500,000 during Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those pilots were confused and uneducated as well eh? You make as much sense as a screen door on a submarine! :confused:

ok, confused wasn't the right word. Insane or menatly disturbed are better I guess.

I'm not defending the japanese, I'm accusing you! There's no excuse what so ever for using nuclear weapons to destroy civilian cities! Nuclear weapons should NEVER be used regardless of circumstances! The only thing that they should be used for is dismanteling. These kind of weapons shouldn't exist and the US are using radioactive bombs all the time today aswell.

[>>Flyboy<<]

ok, confused wasn't the right word. Insane or menatly disturbed are better I guess.

I'm not defending the japanese, I'm accusing you! There's no excuse what so ever for using nuclear weapons to destroy civilian cities! Nuclear weapons should NEVER be used regardless of circumstances! The only thing that they should be used for is dismanteling. These kind of weapons shouldn't exist and the US are using radioactive bombs all the time today aswell.

Radioactive bombs? Hmm?? Where are you getting this from? Are you talking about denriched uranium? Tell me and I'll give you an education on that as well.

Oh you don't like those nukes, well I don't either, but you know what pal, the cat went out of the bag Aug. 6, 1945, you're just going to have to deal with it! If 9-11 didn't happen there would be a lot less of them around!

But you wouldn't understand that - the country where you're from had a WWII government that put its head in a shell and hoped the war would pass right by, and today points fingers and blame other when they didn't have the Huevos to take a real stance or even participate. The biggest sacrafice "Neutral Europe" had to worry about is to stay clear of Hitler.

As I said before, I don't trust "Neutral Europe." If the Germans won WWII, they would be their buddies. If communists took over the world in the 1960s, there would be a red star on those flags, and today if the world was taken over by radical Muslims, they would all convert to Islam!

Enjoy your stay in the USA! :cool:

[The sweed]

Radioactive bombs? Hmm?? Where are you getting this from? Are you talking about denriched uranium? Tell me and I'll give you an education on that as well.

Oh you don't like those nukes, well I don't either, but you know what pal, the cat went out of the bag Aug. 6, 1945, you're just going to have to deal with it! If 9-11 didn't happen there would be a lot less of them around!

But you wouldn't understand that - the country where you're from had a WWII government that put its head in a shell and hoped the war would pass right by, and today points fingers and blame other when they didn't have the Huevos to take a real stance or even participate. The biggest sacrafice "Neutral Europe" had to worry about is to stay clear of Hitler.

As I said before, I don't trust "Neutral Europe." If the Germans won WWII, they would be their buddies. If communists took over the world in the 1960s, there would be a red star on those flags, and today if the world was taken over by radical Muslims, they would all convert to Islam!

Enjoy your stay in the USA! :cool:

Where I'm getting the info from? Radiation research of areas where you have been at war and I don't need any education from you about denriched uranium. I've majored in physics, did my examination project on nuclear physics, I think I know more then you about this.

Just so that you know it. The number of nukes have decreased since 9/11, but my point is that there shouldn't be any at all.

The reason Sweden stayed neutral during WW2 is because we had a lot of nazi sympathies especially in the leadership of the country. To say we were neutral is crap, we endorsed Germany and it's something we are ashamed of today. For example Ingvar Kamprad, founder of IKEA, have admitted he shared sympaties with the nazis ...

The last part of your message I'm just gonna ignore. If you truly belive in what you wrote you're a coplete idiot. I think you just can't deal with the fact that we don't stand behind you whatever you do and with good reason.

[>>Flyboy<<]

Where I'm getting the info from? Radiation research of areas where you have been at war and I don't need any education from you about denriched uranium. I've majored in physics, did my examination project on nuclear physics, I think I know more then you about this.

Just so that you know it. The number of nukes have decreased since 9/11, but my point is that there shouldn't be any at all.

The reason Sweden stayed neutral during WW2 is because we had a lot of nazi sympathies especially in the leadership of the country. To say we were neutral is crap, we endorsed Germany and it's something we are ashamed of today. For example Ingvar Kamprad, founder of IKEA, have admitted he shared sympaties with the nazis ...

The last part of your message I'm just gonna ignore. If you truly belive in what you wrote you're a coplete idiot. I think you just can't deal with the fact that we don't stand behind you whatever you do and with good reason.

Well do you know these "radiation bombs" as they are called have nothing more than denriched uranium in them?!?

I'm glad to see YOU can say someting about your land for once and admit it....

AND - yes that's my oppinion. When I see nazi war criminals harbored in countries who preach a line of self righteousness and always point their finger at the US for our horrible deeds, I don't trust them. Look at you - you say how horrible my government is but you're here! Why? I wouldn't set foot in any country where I suspect half the things you alleged. I rather be a complete idiot than a hypocrite! :cool:

[>>Flyboy<<]

Where I'm getting the info from? Radiation research of areas where you have been at war and I don't need any education from you about denriched uranium. I've majored in physics, did my examination project on nuclear physics, I think I know more then you about this.

Just so that you know it. The number of nukes have decreased since 9/11, but my point is that there shouldn't be any at all.

The reason Sweden stayed neutral during WW2 is because we had a lot of nazi sympathies especially in the leadership of the country. To say we were neutral is crap, we endorsed Germany and it's something we are ashamed of today. For example Ingvar Kamprad, founder of IKEA, have admitted he shared sympaties with the nazis ...

The last part of your message I'm just gonna ignore. If you truly belive in what you wrote you're a coplete idiot. I think you just can't deal with the fact that we don't stand behind you whatever you do and with good reason.

Well do you know these "radiation bombs" as they are called have nothing more than denriched uranium in them?!?

I'm glad to see YOU can say someting about your land for once and admit it....

AND - yes that's my oppinion. When I see nazi war criminals harbored in countries who preach a line of self righteousness and always point their finger at the US for our horrible deeds, I don't trust them. Look at you - you say how horrible my government is but you're here! Why? I wouldn't set foot in any country where I suspect half the things you alleged. I rather be a complete idiot than a hypocrite! :cool:

[>>Flyboy<<]

Where I'm getting the info from? Radiation research of areas where you have been at war and I don't need any education from you about denriched uranium. I've majored in physics, did my examination project on nuclear physics, I think I know more then you about this.

Just so that you know it. The number of nukes have decreased since 9/11, but my point is that there shouldn't be any at all.

The reason Sweden stayed neutral during WW2 is because we had a lot of nazi sympathies especially in the leadership of the country. To say we were neutral is crap, we endorsed Germany and it's something we are ashamed of today. For example Ingvar Kamprad, founder of IKEA, have admitted he shared sympaties with the nazis ...

The last part of your message I'm just gonna ignore. If you truly belive in what you wrote you're a coplete idiot. I think you just can't deal with the fact that we don't stand behind you whatever you do and with good reason.

Well do you know these "radiation bombs" as they are called have nothing more than denriched uranium in them?!?

I'm glad to see YOU can say someting about your land for once and admit it....

AND - yes that's my oppinion. When I see nazi war criminals harbored in countries who preach a line of self righteousness and always point their finger at the US for our horrible deeds, I don't trust them. Look at you - you say how horrible my government is but you're here! Why? I wouldn't set foot in any country where I suspect half the things you alleged. I rather be a complete idiot than a hypocrite! :cool:

[The sweed]

Well do you know these "radiation bombs" as they are called have nothing more than denriched uranium in them?!?

I'm glad to see YOU can say someting about your land for once and admit it....

AND - yes that's my oppinion. When I see nazi war criminals harbored in countries who preach a line of self righteousness and always point their finger at the US for our horrible deeds, I don't trust them. Look at you - you say how horrible my government is but you're here! Why? I wouldn't set foot in any country where I suspect half the things you alleged. I rather be a complete idiot than a hypocrite! :cool:

well, I was in the US when I was between 17 and 25 years old ... and there are lots of things I lke about US, politics not included. Like I said, the best snow in the world is found in Montana and they are not very political either. Today I would rather go to BC tho since I've allready been to US.

Are you trying to say that denriched uranium isn't dangerous and that it isn't radioactive?

[>>Flyboy<<]

well, I was in the US when I was between 17 and 25 years old ... and there are lots of things I lke about US, politics not included. Like I said, the best snow in the world is found in Montana and they are not very political either. Today I would rather go to BC tho since I've allready been to US.

Are you trying to say that denriched uranium isn't dangerous and that it isn't radioactive?

Its not dangerous if you don't split a chunk of it open and eat it. Its used for weight mass on the heads of bombs, aircraft control surfaces counterbalances and even on elevator counterbalances. Its also used in cannon rounds.

[The sweed]

Its not dangerous if you don't split a chunk of it open and eat it. Its used for weight mass on the heads of bombs, aircraft control surfaces counterbalances and even on elevator counterbalances. Its also used in cannon rounds.

What do you think happens to it when the bombs explode? Do you think
A. It evaporates like the plane at the pentagon
or
B. Do you think it disolves into a fine dust.

If your answers is B then would you think that it mixes with the air that way breath? If so, What is the difference between splitting a chunk open and eating it and mixing it with the air and inhaling it?

[>>Flyboy<<]

What do you think happens to it when the bombs explode? Do you think
A. It evaporates like the plane at the pentagon
or
B. Do you think it disolves into a fine dust.

If your answers is B then would you think that it mixes with the air that way breath? If so, What is the difference between splitting a chunk open and eating it and mixing it with the air and inhaling it?

None of the above, it stay generally in tact or breaks in chunks. You would have to eat tons of it to make you sick, and guess what, you probably walk by this stuff dozens of times daily.

[The sweed]

None of the above, it stay generally in tact or breaks in chunks. You would have to eat tons of it to make you sick, and guess what, you probably walk by this stuff dozens of times daily.

Apperently you don't know a whole lot about this. What you know is from old research and I think you should get an update on this issue and don't just check american research.

[The sweed]

I've just been looking at what I could find about depleted uranium on the net. All the american research that I found has targeted troops and generally state that the protection worn by military limits the healthrisk greatly yadda yadda yadda.

Look at some of the reasearch that has been conducted to check on health risks for the common population in for example Hadzici, Serbia. A friend of mines dad have done some research on this and when I asked him if it is dangerous he just replied, why wouldn't it be dangerous. It's really to early to conduct full covorage studies of the effects from depleted uranium. The exposures are just to recent and can't be studied accordingly. What has been concluded so far is a considerable increse in malignant diseases in areas where depleted uranium have been used (in some cases up to 100 times higher frequency), but most research also states that it's too early to draw any conclusions since local abnormities could be responsible for this.

The residues of depleted uranium will not vanish after a while, but will stay in the area for 100s of 1000s of years. It will mix with drinkingwater, animals will eat it and it will eventually spread to humans over the long term. Instead of rushing into this and pushing for extensive use of depleted uranium have some patience study the effects for another 40 or 50 years and then draw your conclusions. The health effect of this will stay with us for ever, the wars will be over in a few years regardless of munitions used. I think USA are behaving imature and iresponsible in this question and I also think it goes to prove that you haven't learned anything from the past.

[The sweed]

None of the above, it stay generally in tact or breaks in chunks. You would have to eat tons of it to make you sick, and guess what, you probably walk by this stuff dozens of times daily.

Depleted uranium was first used widely in combat in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. The material in armor-piercing munitions ignites and burns on impact at temperatures of several thousand degrees Celsius. While burning, tiny particles, or dust, of uranium oxide aerosol are created. Wind can carry these considerable distances.

Military regulations require immediate medical tests and treatment for any soldiers exposed to dust and fragments from depleted uranium shell explosions. Some nuclear scientists studying the health effects of those inhaling DU believe even a speck of the dust in the lungs or bloodstream can eventually cause cancer or kidney disease in adults or cancers or deformities in babies if even one parent has been exposed.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1101-01.htm
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According to American Greenpeace, documents released under the Freedom of Information Act, indicate that the Allied Forces would have left 300 tons of DU on the battle fields between Kuwait and Iraq, mostly in the form of toxic and radioactive dust. Much of the uranium dust has been scattered about thousands of square miles of desert. As the Gulf region has a rainy season, it is feared that uranium particles get at one time or the other into the ground water and finally reach the food chain. Highly toxic uranium dust, if inhaled, can result in lung cancer. Many DU projectiles spread over the battle fields have been collected by children and used as toys with possibly devastating consequences. The toxic nature of DU contamination is highlighted with the U.S. Department of Defence erecting a highly secret $4 million facility in Barnwall, South Carolina just to detoxify 22 military vehicles hit by friendly fire. Some of the vehicles are so badly contaminated that they have had to bury them.

http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/antiwar/depleted.htm
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A DU rod is very dense. At high speed, it slices through tanks like a hot knife through butter. It burns on impact, creating flying bits and dust that are toxic and radioactive with a half-life of 4.2 billion years.

http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/du/
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The likelihood of absorbing it is increased significantly if a weapon has struck a target and exploded because the DU vaporises into a fine dust and can be inhaled.

Dr Kilpatrick said a study that had followed 90 US Gulf War veterans exposed to the dust and to shrapnel from DU rounds in "friendly fire" incidents had found no DU-related medical problems.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/2860759.stm
__________________________________________________ ____________

In the Amsterdam crash, some 152 kilograms (334 pounds) of DU were never found, and the Dutch commission of inquiry concluded that the fiery crash may have released some of the DU in the form of a radioactive fume or dust, just as you would expect it might. DU is pyrophoric, meaning that it catches fire under some circumstances and turns into a very fine radioactive fume or dust, which can blow around.

When a DU projectile strikes an armored target, such as a tank, it does not flatten on contact but instead penetrates and "self sharpens" as it passes through the armor. This occurs because as the DU projectile is penetrating its target, its outer layer catches fire, creating a very fine radioactive dust, essentially lubricating the remaining projectile, helping it penetrate further. The result is a very clean hole in the target -- which looks as if it had been drilled -- and a great deal of radioactive dust. Somewhere between 10% and 70% of a DU projectile is transformed into radioactive dust when it strikes a sufficiently hard target.

http://www.noduweapons.org/
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When a depleted uranium round hits a hard target, as much as 70 percent of the projectile can burn on impact, creating a firestorm of depleted uranium particles. The toxic residue of this firestorm is an extremely fine insoluble uranium dust that can be spread by the wind, inhaled and absorbed into the human body and absorbed by plants and animals, becoming part of the food chain. Once in the soil, it can pollute the environment and create up to a hundredfold increase in uranium levels in ground water, according to the U.N. Environmental Program.

http://www.criticalconcern.com/depleted_uranium.htm
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There is only one gun capable of firing the special high-velocity radioactive 30mm DU shells: the GAU-8A seven-barrel Avenger Gatling cannon, specially designed for the Thunderbolt. Even at a range of two miles the 30mm DU shells are known to be travelling at almost one mile per second, hitting each target with almost half a million foot-pounds of energy. With impact forces that high, very few 30mm DUs ricocheted and stayed in one piece, most exploding into toxic uranium dust which was strewn far and wide across the land.

http://www.serendipity.li/nato/du.htm
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Still think it stays intact or breaks into chunks? Atleast get a clue before you post next time!

[The sweed]

read this:

http://www.sfbayview.com/081804/Depleteduranium081804.shtml

like I said earlier, it's too early to draw any defenite conclusions since it could all prove to be local (global?) abnonormalities caused by a number of things. I think you have to agree with me that the numbers are astounding none the less and that it has the potential of becoming a global disaster if our worst fears would be proven later on.

[>>Flyboy<<]

read this:

http://www.sfbayview.com/081804/Depleteduranium081804.shtml

like I said earlier, it's too early to draw any defenite conclusions since it could all prove to be local (global?) abnonormalities caused by a number of things. I think you have to agree with me that the numbers are astounding none the less and that it has the potential of becoming a global disaster if our worst fears would be proven later on.

And I have to agree with you on that, you sure did your homework, but this stuff is all around us and has been for awhile. Think about this the next time you're on an airplane.

[The sweed]

You have to understand that I'm in no way anti american even tho I might have profiled myself this way here. Rather the contrary, I love the US and in general I find most ppl to be kind just like they've been in every other country that I've been to. The problem is that you are the only superpower left in the world and with that comes a great responsibility. You have every eye and ear pointing in your direction and every country in the world will try to copy your actions in some way. You have to realize that you are the conscious of the world.

I'm gonna give you a metaphor that might help you understand my point of this.
Family 1:
USA: An important buisnessman with lots of power and connections
UK: The current wife
Israel: The child from the current marrige
Rest of Europe: Children form previous marriges
Family 2:
Saudi Arabia: A former worker who won the powerball
Iran: The wife. They don't really get along, but when it comes down to buisiness they stick together
Iraq and Afghanistan: Children

UN: The schoolboard/police

Israel and Iraq go to school together and they've been fighting since they first met. USA is considering Iraq to be a problemchild who needs to be dealt with and have gone to the schoolboard on several occations requesting actions to be taken. Iraq have spent many afternoons in detention, but it doesn't seem to help. As soon as Iraq gets back he's badgering Israel and the rest of the class is soon to follow. A few years back after having a big fight with his mother, Iraq beat up one of the other kids in the class (Kuwait) and actions were taken. Iraq got expelled by the schoolboard and this was accepted by most of his family as a fair punishment. Everything seems to be in order and USA are quite happy with what they have accompished.

One day someone knocks on the door of USAs house and USA goes to open. It's Afghanistan, Iraqs older brother who blame you for the expellsion of Iraq and think you are a control freak. Before USA have a chance to do anything Afghanistan kicks him in the balls and runs of before USA has time to recuperate from the pain. USA is enraged, with all due respect and storms after Afghanistan as soon as he can. Afghanistan is caught and put in a youth detention center to learn some mannors, but for USA this is not enough. He emidiatly goes to the schoolboard and request that further actions are taken against Iraq. The schoolboard puts up an investigation, but can't find any evidence that Iraq had anything to do with Afghanistans actions. USA don't belive them and askes UK and Europe to form a lynchmob against Iraq. UK gives their full support and a few others join aswell. When some of the other children suggest that it might not be the best action and supports the schoolboard USA get enraged again and lashes out at them threatening to take them out of the will.

USA and UK go to Iraq together and while UK is holding Iraq down USA gives him a good caning. Even after that Iraq still claim he's innocent and that he had nothing to do with Afghanistans actions. All the while he's still fighting back as best he can, but what can he do against 2 adults? Iran who is standing right next to this is complaining about the treatment and saids it's not fair. USA tells her to shut up and except it, but Iran doesn't give up and threatens she's gonna go buy a gun. USA have a large collection of guns at home, he's even given some to Israel for personal protection, but can't accept that Iran or anyone els in her family gets a hold of one. They fear that it might start a shootout and that many ppl will get hurt from that.

All the while the police are standing outside pretending like nothing is happening, they know they need the support and connections of USA in order to function.
________________________________

Is this the kind of world you want to live in or do you think there might be a better sollution?

Remember that USA might not always be at the top of the foodchain. We have Russia who were your worst competition, but he went bancrupt a few years ago and is now struggeling. China who've been trying to compete for a long time, but only now have started to get the hang of it. India who has gotten tutoring from UK, a young and energetic businessman with good education who have just set up. And Europe who have formed a coorperation in order to compete more efficiently. All of these guys have guns.
______________________________

We can argue who's to blame for this situation, but honestly ... who cares? What's done is done and can't be undone. I think we need to take a step backwards and try and resolve the situation instead of makeing it even worse. Someone has to break this chain of events or they'll keep stagnating into something uncontrolable. If USA wants to regain the respect from the rest of the world this might be your opportunity. You need to be a rolemodel for the rest of the world! What you do today will become common practise tomorrow.

[>>Flyboy<<]

You have to understand that I'm in no way anti american even tho I might have profiled myself this way here. Rather the contrary, I love the US and in general I find most ppl to be kind just like they've been in every other country that I've been to. The problem is that you are the only superpower left in the world and with that comes a great responsibility. You have every eye and ear pointing in your direction and every country in the world will try to copy your actions in some way. You have to realize that you are the conscious of the world.

I'm gonna give you a metaphor that might help you understand my point of this.
Family 1:
USA: An important buisnessman with lots of power and connections
UK: The current wife
Israel: The child from the current marrige
Rest of Europe: Children form previous marriges
Family 2:
Saudi Arabia: A former worker who won the powerball
Iran: The wife. They don't really get along, but when it comes down to buisiness they stick together
Iraq and Afghanistan: Children

UN: The schoolboard/police

Israel and Iraq go to school together and they've been fighting since they first met. USA is considering Iraq to be a problemchild who needs to be dealt with and have gone to the schoolboard on several occations requesting actions to be taken. Iraq have spent many afternoons in detention, but it doesn't seem to help. As soon as Iraq gets back he's badgering Israel and the rest of the class is soon to follow. A few years back after having a big fight with his mother, Iraq beat up one of the other kids in the class (Kuwait) and actions were taken. Iraq got expelled by the schoolboard and this was accepted by most of his family as a fair punishment. Everything seems to be in order and USA are quite happy with what they have accompished.

One day someone knocks on the door of USAs house and USA goes to open. It's Afghanistan, Iraqs older brother who blame you for the expellsion of Iraq and think you are a control freak. Before USA have a chance to do anything Afghanistan kicks him in the balls and runs of before USA has time to recuperate from the pain. USA is enraged, with all due respect and storms after Afghanistan as soon as he can. Afghanistan is caught and put in a youth detention center to learn some mannors, but for USA this is not enough. He emidiatly goes to the schoolboard and request that further actions are taken against Iraq. The schoolboard puts up an investigation, but can't find any evidence that Iraq had anything to do with Afghanistans actions. USA don't belive them and askes UK and Europe to form a lynchmob against Iraq. UK gives their full support and a few others join aswell. When some of the other children suggest that it might not be the best action and supports the schoolboard USA get enraged again and lashes out at them threatening to take them out of the will.

USA and UK go to Iraq together and while UK is holding Iraq down USA gives him a good caning. Even after that Iraq still claim he's innocent and that he had nothing to do with Afghanistans actions. All the while he's still fighting back as best he can, but what can he do against 2 adults? Iran who is standing right next to this is complaining about the treatment and saids it's not fair. USA tells her to shut up and except it, but Iran doesn't give up and threatens she's gonna go buy a gun. USA have a large collection of guns at home, he's even given some to Israel for personal protection, but can't accept that Iran or anyone els in her family gets a hold of one. They fear that it might start a shootout and that many ppl will get hurt from that.

All the while the police are standing outside pretending like nothing is happening, they know they need the support and connections of USA in order to function.
________________________________

Is this the kind of world you want to live in or do you think there might be a better sollution?

Remember that USA might not always be at the top of the foodchain. We have Russia who were your worst competition, but he went bancrupt a few years ago and is now struggeling. China who've been trying to compete for a long time, but only now have started to get the hang of it. India who has gotten tutoring from UK, a young and energetic businessman with good education who have just set up. And Europe who have formed a coorperation in order to compete more efficiently. All of these guys have guns.
______________________________

We can argue who's to blame for this situation, but honestly ... who cares? What's done is done and can't be undone. I think we need to take a step backwards and try and resolve the situation instead of makeing it even worse. Someone has to break this chain of events or they'll keep stagnating into something uncontrolable. If USA wants to regain the respect from the rest of the world this might be your opportunity. You need to be a rolemodel for the rest of the world! What you do today will become common practise tomorrow.


You know Sweed, I like you, I may not agree with everything you say, but I like you! :)

[The sweed]

Glad to hear that :) does this mean you won't be bombing SAAB? Not that I think a whole lot of sweedes would care since it's owned by GM ;) and maybe you should leave Volvo alone aswell ... they're owned by Ford!

Some more information about sweden that I bet you didn't know:
We are the worlds largest weapons manufacturer, no other country produce as much arms per capita as we do. Our second biggest export product is weapons ... right after cars and all our carmanufacturers are owned by american companies so I guess that really makes weapons our largest export product. 85-90% of all weapons produced in sweden are exported to ... USA. So I'm guessing this makes Sweden the biggest benificials of the war in Iraq. If you want some info on what we produce have a look at http://www.saab.se/node5507.asp (the only part of SAAB still owned by Sweden), http://www.boforsdefence.com/eng/home.asp , http://www.haggve.se/default.asp , www.kockums.se (couldn't get this page working so I hope it's in english) or http://www.ericsson.com/microwave/
You can find downloadable presentation videos of products at most of these sites, so have a blast ;)

These companies are only the tip of the iceberg, but I think you get the picture. Pretty impressive for a small country like Sweden with only 9M people, wouldn't you say?
At the same time the swedish goverment is one of the more condemming ones in the world regarding the american wars. :eek: Talk about hipocracy!

On a sidenote. Sweden is the only contry in the world who have developed a technology for spotting stealth units with radar and we're the only country apart from the US with stealth capability. In Sweden this technology is only used in boats and unmanned aircraft as of yet. We're also one of a handfull countries with a spaceprogram which means we have the capability to produce intercontinental missiles and in the 70s we developed technologies for creating nuclear warheads. The development of this technology was put at a halt after a popular vote and all the plannes and developments were stashed away somewhere and no fullscale testing was ever carried out. We do however have everything we need to achive nuclear capabilities within weeks.
The swedish military is trained to handle a largescale invasion. We are supposed to defend the country for a very short time and then to go into hiding, what we refer to as "the free war". We are supposed to stay hidden until it's "safe" to carry out smallscale sabotage missions to disrupt the invadors while keeping the damage to infrastructure at a minimum. 90% of the swedish male population used to be trained for this, but over the last 10 years this has gone down to 20-25% as the threat of war has almost seised to exist. This means about 2M people in Sweden have been trained in the handeling of explosives, protection af ABC weapons etc, scary isn't it?

[>>Flyboy<<]

At the same time the swedish goverment is one of the more condemming ones in the world regarding the american wars. :eek: Talk about hipocracy!

And that was part of my point earlier....

[The sweed]

I've never said that I support the swedish stance on this, but I don't support the US actions either.

[>>Flyboy<<]

And that was part of my point earlier....

And it seems that's what you're doing

[The sweed]

how is that?

[>>Flyboy<<]

how is that?

You say how bad the US is and how terrible our forigen policy is, but yet you come here and Ski Montana? Buy those lift tickets and pay those taxes, you're supporting the US government at all levels

[Alexander the Great]

You say how bad the US is and how terrible our forigen policy is, but yet you come here and Ski Montana? Buy those lift tickets and pay those taxes, you're supporting the US government at all levels


Flyboy, I might be 14, but I understand that.

Everyone has his own limits for terrible, etc.

You and I support it, I know I do because I feel the terror.
But, what we think is what we do, and he doesn't share our opinion.
That doesn't mean he's wrong neither right, but, he can't disconnect himself from his country and Government.

[>>Flyboy<<]

Flyboy, I might be 14, but I understand that.

Everyone has his own limits for terrible, etc.

You and I support it, I know I do because I feel the terror.
But, what we think is what we do, and he doesn't share our opinion.
That doesn't mean he's wrong neither right, but, he can't disconnect himself from his country and Government.

True, but he speaks of how bad the US is, but yest he comes here for vacation. At the same time he says he doesn't purchase American products. I say "practice what you preach." Ski BC!

[Alexander the Great]

True, but he speaks of how bad the US is, but yest he comes here for vacation. At the same time he says he doesn't purchase American products. I say "practice what you preach." Ski BC!


What do you care?

You manage to get money out of him. :D

[>>Flyboy<<]

What do you care?

You manage to get money out of him. :D

You're right Alexander, it proves he's a hyprocrate!

[Alexander the Great]

You're right Alexander, it proves he's a hyprocrate!

Excuse me for my lack of knowledge, I'm only 14.
What's Hypocrate?

[>>Flyboy<<]

Excuse me for my lack of knowledge, I'm only 14.
What's Hypocrate?

He preaches one thing and then does the exact opposite. Like condemming the US, saying he don't by US products, but yet he comes here to ski.

[Alexander the Great]

He preaches one thing and then does the exact opposite. Like condemming the US, saying he don't by US products, but yet he comes here to ski.


I have a Hebrew word for that - Tzavoa - Hayena.

[Alexander the Great]

And Flyboy, a new link to debate politics:

www.politicalcrossfire.com

[>>Flyboy<<]

Thank You Alexander!

[Alexander the Great]

Thank You Alexander!


No problem.

But me and you, are quite in minority there, so be carefull!

[The sweed]

True, but he speaks of how bad the US is, but yest he comes here for vacation. At the same time he says he doesn't purchase American products. I say "practice what you preach." Ski BC!

LOL ... It was about 6 years since I was in the US last time.

Have you ever been outside north america outside work?

[The sweed]

No problem.

But me and you, are quite in minority there, so be carefull!

You're extreemists and in minority in general.

[Alexander the Great]

You're extreemists and in minority in general.


Depends where, in Israel I'm not in minority in the right.

[The sweed]

Depends where, in Israel I'm not in minority in the right.

Yes you are! Most people want to see a peacefull sollution to this issue, you want war to resolve it. That's extreme and if this wouldn't make you a minority it wouldn't be considered extreme, but instead normal. So face it, you're a rightwing extreemist, your views are considered to be dangerous and you belong to a minority!

[Alexander the Great]

Yes you are! Most people want to see a peacefull sollution to this issue, you want war to resolve it. That's extreme and if this wouldn't make you a minority it wouldn't be considered extreme, but instead normal. So face it, you're a rightwing extreemist, your views are considered to be dangerous and you belong to a minority!


Well, news for you, in the Israeli right I'm not, and the Israeli right is the majority in Israel.

[The sweed]

Well, news for you, in the Israeli right I'm not, and the Israeli right is the majority in Israel.

Are you trying to tell me a majority of israelis want to go to war?

[Alexander the Great]

Are you trying to tell me a majority of israelis want to go to war?


We want peace, but when others are going against us, we want to go to war.

[The sweed]

We want peace, but when others are going against us, we want to go to war.

Do you want peace through war or through negotiations?

[Alexander the Great]

Do you want peace through war or through negotiations?

I preffer negotiations, but if there's no choice, WAR.

[The sweed]

I preffer negotiations, but if there's no choice, WAR.

There is always a choice

[Alexander the Great]

There is always a choice


That's wrong, but, if your country was sorounded by enemies who try to destroy her, and they refuse to any negotiation, what will you preffer?
To defend yourself in war, or to surrender?

[The sweed]

There has allready been a lot af negotiations, so what you're saying about them refusing negotiations is a strait out lie or misperception from your side. Just because the negotiations have stranded for the time beeing it doesn't mean that negotiations are useless. Like I've said before, it takes patience and selfcontrol to settle a situation like this. And I also have said before that even after negotiations you will see some violance, but it's just something you have to live with. All palestinians and israelis are not gonna except the negotiations, there will always be radicals who will do what they can to disrupt these. You must work against these radicals, both israelis and palestinians, to get mutual understanding between the two groups.

[Alexander the Great]

There has allready been a lot af negotiations, so what you're saying about them refusing negotiations is a strait out lie or misperception from your side. Just because the negotiations have stranded for the time beeing it doesn't mean that negotiations are useless. Like I've said before, it takes patience and selfcontrol to settle a situation like this. And I also have said before that even after negotiations you will see some violance, but it's just something you have to live with. All palestinians and israelis are not gonna except the negotiations, there will always be radicals who will do what they can to disrupt these. You must work against these radicals, both israelis and palestinians, to get mutual understanding between the two groups.

We are those who decided to try every time, and we disappointed from their side each time.
Check for yourself.

[The sweed]

That's not entierly true. Sure they've been doing suicide bombings, breaking the peace, but these are actions of a few mad people and you take it out on all palestinians seeing it as actions by their whole population, it's not. Most palestinians want peace like everyone els in the world.

[Alexander the Great]

That's not entierly true. Sure they've been doing suicide bombings, breaking the peace, but these are actions of a few mad people and you take it out on all palestinians seeing it as actions by their whole population, it's not. Most palestinians want peace like everyone els in the world.


So why don't they stop this minmority?

[The sweed]

Why don't you stop building the wall?

Do you have thefts in Israel? If so, why don't you stop them?

[Alexander the Great]

Why don't you stop building the wall?

Do you have thefts in Israel? If so, why don't you stop them?

Because they don't stop this minority, and if they won't do it, we will.

[The sweed]

Using your military? That means innocent palesitinans will get killed and thus creating more hatred towars israelis. Do you think that's a sollution?

[Alexander the Great]

Using your military? That means innocent palesitinans will get killed and thus creating more hatred towars israelis. Do you think that's a sollution?


And bombing themselves is?