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NoParachute
04-28-2005, 05:40 PM
Junior Takes TV for a "Spin" Tonight

Tonight Junior takes the podium for the first time in over a year. Many ask why Junior so seldom enjoys being televised as the “human shield in a sh*t fight”. If you’ve never listened…. Really listened to Junior’s oratory talents, then tonight’s the night.

Get your score sheet ready. How many times tonight will he deflect the responsibility for the current energy crisis from his administration’s bogus energy policies and blame the hapless American public that’s now paying over $3 a gallon in many parts of the country? It’s OUR fault that British Petroleum has declared $6.6 billion in profits from the first quarter of 2005 alone! It’s OUR fault that Texas-based Valero Energy Corp. recently bought Premcor for $6.9 billion in cash to become the nation‘s largest oil refinery?

Junior will talk about the 12% increase in energy demand by us consumers and our gas guzzling habits of 2 SUV’s in every garage. “Can’t yall just quit driving and we won’t have a problem” is what Bush will really say. He’s talking about HIS friends not having any more problems. Not us! Energy companies, oil companies, banks, insurance companies, health care and pharmaceutical industries, Halliburton … THESE are the big winners. All the industries and companies protected by The Bush and Cheney Coalition.

Or maybe he’ll talk about Social Security. We’re all awaiting with bated breath to hear what his plan is. So far all we know is they want to duck responsibility when the cash runs out and turn it over to us to start over. This is despite the fact that all elderly costs of living are skyrocketing, Medicare up 11%, deductibles up 40%, people losing coverage, overpaying for prescriptions the Administration refuses at 30% savings through Canada... and science being pushed to let us live to 105.

That's right. Let the old farts fend for themseles! Let 'em manage their own retirement portfolios when they're too frickin’ old to even read let alone manage a portfolio.... or do we let those great lobbyist investment firms take our 1.86% in commissions to watch our retirement circle the drain?

So far all studies done during the current “60 cities in 60 days tour” has shown that States with privatized plans have barely kept up with what the current system provides at a meager 1.86% return. Let’s make it more complicated for the elderly and their children!

Or maybe Junior will just play the human shield in the sh*t fight and admit that he’s f’d it up.

~ He’s dug a hole with the trade deficit we’ll never get out of
~ He’s turned a $6 trillion surplus into a mega-trillion dollar deficit
~ He’s launched attacks on innocent people for fraudulent reasons
~ He’s misled a nation into it’s largest polarization since Vietnam

This from someone who is cutting educational budgets who almost flunked out of Yale. A Commander-in-Chief who hid in Alabama with the National Guard while 52,000 of his countrymen were getting slaughtered. The spokesperson of our nation can't complete a full sentence when having to think on his feet without a script.

Go On! We can’t wait to hear what you’ve got to say, Junior!

Courtesy of "The Daily Rant" at www.noparachute.net

>>Flyboy<<
04-28-2005, 11:49 PM
Junior Takes TV for a "Spin" Tonight

Tonight Junior takes the podium for the first time in over a year. Many ask why Junior so seldom enjoys being televised as the “human shield in a sh*t fight”. If you’ve never listened…. Really listened to Junior’s oratory talents, then tonight’s the night.

Get your score sheet ready. How many times tonight will he deflect the responsibility for the current energy crisis from his administration’s bogus energy policies and blame the hapless American public that’s now paying over $3 a gallon in many parts of the country? It’s OUR fault that British Petroleum has declared $6.6 billion in profits from the first quarter of 2005 alone! It’s OUR fault that Texas-based Valero Energy Corp. recently bought Premcor for $6.9 billion in cash to become the nation‘s largest oil refinery?

Junior will talk about the 12% increase in energy demand by us consumers and our gas guzzling habits of 2 SUV’s in every garage. “Can’t yall just quit driving and we won’t have a problem” is what Bush will really say. He’s talking about HIS friends not having any more problems. Not us! Energy companies, oil companies, banks, insurance companies, health care and pharmaceutical industries, Halliburton … THESE are the big winners. All the industries and companies protected by The Bush and Cheney Coalition.

Or maybe he’ll talk about Social Security. We’re all awaiting with bated breath to hear what his plan is. So far all we know is they want to duck responsibility when the cash runs out and turn it over to us to start over. This is despite the fact that all elderly costs of living are skyrocketing, Medicare up 11%, deductibles up 40%, people losing coverage, overpaying for prescriptions the Administration refuses at 30% savings through Canada... and science being pushed to let us live to 105.

That's right. Let the old farts fend for themseles! Let 'em manage their own retirement portfolios when they're too frickin’ old to even read let alone manage a portfolio.... or do we let those great lobbyist investment firms take our 1.86% in commissions to watch our retirement circle the drain?

So far all studies done during the current “60 cities in 60 days tour” has shown that States with privatized plans have barely kept up with what the current system provides at a meager 1.86% return. Let’s make it more complicated for the elderly and their children!

Or maybe Junior will just play the human shield in the sh*t fight and admit that he’s f’d it up.

~ He’s dug a hole with the trade deficit we’ll never get out of
~ He’s turned a $6 trillion surplus into a mega-trillion dollar deficit
~ He’s launched attacks on innocent people for fraudulent reasons
~ He’s misled a nation into it’s largest polarization since Vietnam

This from someone who is cutting educational budgets who almost flunked out of Yale. A Commander-in-Chief who hid in Alabama with the National Guard while 52,000 of his countrymen were getting slaughtered. The spokesperson of our nation can't complete a full sentence when having to think on his feet without a script.

Go On! We can’t wait to hear what you’ve got to say, Junior!

Courtesy of "The Daily Rant" at www.noparachute.net

four more years, grin and bear it PINKO! :D

zartsy
05-09-2005, 07:57 PM
PINKO!?! What a splendid refutation of the damning facts that characterize an administration wrapped in twisted Moral Values, but devoid of Ethics.
Sincerely,
Your local "Commie Faggot Evildoer"

The sweed
05-10-2005, 08:10 AM
Stop complaining about the gasprice in the US, in Sweden we're paying 6$ a gallon! And also Americans didn't get slaughtered in Vietnam ... the vietnamese did. 58.226 killed americans vs. 3.100.000 slaughtered vietnamese. For every american who died in that war 53 vietnamese were killed.

>>Flyboy<<
05-10-2005, 11:16 AM
Your local "Commie Faggot Evildoer"

You said it, I didn't :cool:

>>Flyboy<<
05-10-2005, 11:24 AM
Stop complaining about the gasprice in the US, in Sweden we're paying 6$ a gallon! And also Americans didn't get slaughtered in Vietnam ... the vietnamese did. 58.226 killed americans vs. 3.100.000 slaughtered vietnamese. For every american who died in that war 53 vietnamese were killed.

But you know Swede, I don't want to pay $6 a gallon and there is no reason why we should, but for now...

Viet Nam - my brother spent 2 years there. The worse political and moral disaster this country ever got into, but look who put us there, the all Amercian posterboy of the 60s', good ole JFK and his dog Robert MacNamara, the only man who could make 2 and 2 make 7!

After he was gone good ole LBJ just picked up the ball and ran with it and then baild out at election time. All this done to show the world that the US was tough on communism. Nixion prolonged it and finally stopped it at election time, how convienient!

Across the board, the whole thing was a disgrace, and the subscripted GI was made to pay the price for being a "baby killer" at the expense of the 1960s Democrat and Rebublican political structure!

The sweed
05-10-2005, 12:30 PM
But you know Swede, I don't want to pay $6 a gallon and there is no reason why we should, but for now...

Viet Nam - my brother spent 2 years there. The worse political and moral disaster this country ever got into, but look who put us there, the all Amercian posterboy of the 60s', good ole JFK and his dog Robert MacNamara, the only man who could make 2 and 2 make 7!

After he was gone good ole LBJ just picked up the ball and ran with it and then baild out at election time. All this done to show the world that the US was tough on communism. Nixion prolonged it and finally stopped it at election time, how convienient!

Across the board, the whole thing was a disgrace, and the subscripted GI was made to pay the price for being a "baby killer" at the expense of the 1960s Democrat and Rebublican political structure!

Are you aying the vietnamwar was a mistake made by politicians and that it should never have been fought?

>>Flyboy<<
05-10-2005, 01:43 PM
Are you aying the vietnamwar was a mistake made by politicians and that it should never have been fought?

YES! Big time!

The sweed
05-10-2005, 03:01 PM
YES! Big time!

Would you then consider that the Iraqwar could be a mistake made by politicians and that it should never have been fought?

>>Flyboy<<
05-10-2005, 04:53 PM
Would you then consider that the Iraqwar could be a mistake made by politicians and that it should never have been fought?

No, and I'll tell you why. After Desert Storm, there were many in the US and abroad who said the coalition should have removed Saddam from power. Although the US supported this covertly, the mission was over, Kuwait was liberated and that was that. Removing Saddam Hussein from power was not the Mission of the Gulf War. Saddam had 10 years to comply with numerous UN resolutions that were supported by many of the domestic and international political spectrum, and basically he just scoffed at the whole process. Now you have 911. Although you conveyed a very amusing and interesting scenario about the region in your previous message, I don't believe someone like Saddam Hussein if left in power, would not have supported Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Had he complied with the UN WMD inspections, he would still be in power today (my firm opinion). Now that 911 happened, the Hawks are out, the whole region is suspect. Saddam Hussein, by being an idiot gave the US an excuse to remove him from power, right or wrong he decided his own destiny and the destiny of Iraq. Now the US has established a presence in the region (which I know is pissing off every radical cleric there who I hold responsible for this whole thing). My only disillusion with the war right now is that we've been there too long and there were many things not well planned after the fall of Saddam, but that’s another story.

I believe a message is being sent to Iran and the rest of the Middle East, we've made a presence there and WE could be there to stay, STOP SUPPORTING TERRORIST AND WE GO HOME!

A caveat to this - Afghanistan was being run by the Taliban, Bin Laden had his Islamic Republic and they were free, to govern themselves, to destroy their 1000 year old Buddhists Statues in their desserts and protests against the big bad Satan, the US, in other words they could of lived happily ever after. 911 Happens and look what happened to the region; war, Saddam Hussein is gone and Osama Bin Laden lives in a cave. I'm sorry, but all this didn't have to happen if 1. The Taliban gave up Bin Laden and 2. Saddam Hussein Complied with the UN weapons inspectors. But even take another step back, why plan a terrorist strike against the US when you had your own Islamic Republic to do whatever you want?

The start of the Viet Nam War did not involve Amercian Cities being attacked by terrorists, but again, that's another story.

The sweed
05-10-2005, 09:14 PM
I think you're partly right about what you are saying, but I think there were much better ways to handle this then the way it was handeled. There were strong forces inside Iraq who could have been supported and encouraged to overthrow Saddams regim. Today were're back to where we started with many of the same people in the political top. What have this helped? You still have most of the political and economical power tied to only a few families, except for a small part now controllod by the US, and nothing is really coming to benefit for the large population.

You are saying that you have sent a message to the rest of the region that you're not to mess with you, but I think you've rather done the opposite. People in the region are now even more pissed at the US for not doing anything real to help the situation and this have created an even greater hatred towards the US then before. And why shouldn't they be? Today you are supporting a lot of dictatorships in this region, Jordania, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Kuwait, etc the list could be made very long. Why do you keep supporting dictatorships in the US?

Afghanistan you say ... Who put the Talibans in power? And who did the Talibans defeat to get this power? I'll tell you, you supported the Talibans until 1993-95 sometime when they had finally defeated the Northern Alliance, who were and still is considered to be one the the most extreme organizations in the world. You have now put them in power! During the Taliban regime about 5% of Afghanistans BNP was made up of the opium/heroin trade. They kept this production in very strict control and forced people to get permits to handle it. Today opium/heroin production make up 30% of Afghanistans BNP and prices on heroin have dropped like a rock since the norther alliance took over. 5 years ago the price for 1 gram of heroin on the streets in Sweden was 2400SEK (330$US) and it was very hard to get by. Today the market is flooded, a gram is sold for 600SEK (83$US) and it's easier for me to get heroin then a pack of cigarettes at 3am. You have to understand that the money the Northern Alliance are gathering from this will not be spent on a irragation programs, but rather on a weapons programs and trust me when I say that the Northern Alliance will be coming after the US if anyone is. Bin Laden was a very strong supporter of the Northern Alliance up to 93-95 when the Talibans recived power of Afghanistan and he shifted. You can take a wild guess who's hiding Bin Laden today and I can also bet you that he is not sitting in a cave somewhere, but rather in the comfort of a druglords house somewhere in Tadzjikistan, Kirgizistan, Uzbekistan or Turkmenistan. You think you won this war against terrorism when in fact you've just put one of your worst enemies in power like you have so many times before.

Who started the Vietcong? USA ... When supporting a small organization called vietmihn in the end of the 1940s you actually layed the groundwork for it. This organization fought for the decollinazation of southeast asia, something you strongly supprted after WW2.

Who put Fidel Castro in power?
Who put Saddam Hussein in power?
Who put Noriega in power?
Who initiated the Farc guerilla?
... Do you want me to keep going?

You are not doing this the right way! You need to start giving the power to the people and support civil wars to break up the dictatorships of these countries instead of invading them and putting new dictators that aren't any better but most of the time worse then the previous ones in power. Recognize your mistakes and try to learn something from them.

>>Flyboy<<
05-11-2005, 08:27 AM
Saddam Hussein, a dictator, a dictator that at one time the US supported was removed - are you saying that was right or wrong? Iraq had free elections and are in the process of setting up a government, right or wrong?

Yes, the US has supported many who they shouldn't and still do in some instances in an effort to "support our interests." Right or wrong, its the international game of politics and all nations participate. "A friend of my enemy is my friend." It's an arab saying. "Scratch my back, I'l scratch yours", etc.

I totaly disagree with you as far as drug lords holding Bin Laden - I think that's something from a conspiricy theory site and time will tell who is correct on this one!

While what you say is very righteous, the fact remains that this isn't a perfect world and international politics will always induce a society or a people being opressed at the expense of someone else. I may sound cruel and greedy but I thank my lucky stars I'm not not in that position, but will do what I feel is required to maintain my lifestyle and security in my country. You my friend, like me participae in this situation by living here, paying taxes to the US government and supporting this economy (Montana Sking). Also keep in mind that because the US is "the big guy on thr block," we're going to get the most blame for doing this, but in reality the rest of the world is no better thn we! :rolleyes:

The sweed
05-11-2005, 11:05 AM
Saddam Hussein, a dictator, a dictator that at one time the US supported was removed - are you saying that was right or wrong? Iraq had free elections and are in the process of setting up a government, right or wrong?

Yes, the US has supported many who they shouldn't and still do in some instances in an effort to "support our interests." Right or wrong, its the international game of politics and all nations participate. "A friend of my enemy is my friend." It's an arab saying. "Scratch my back, I'l scratch yours", etc.

I totaly disagree with you as far as drug lords holding Bin Laden - I think that's something from a conspiricy theory site and time will tell who is correct on this one!

While what you say is very righteous, the fact remains that this isn't a perfect world and international politics will always induce a society or a people being opressed at the expense of someone else. I may sound cruel and greedy but I thank my lucky stars I'm not not in that position, but will do what I feel is required to maintain my lifestyle and security in my country. You my friend, like me participae in this situation by living here, paying taxes to the US government and supporting this economy (Montana Sking). Also keep in mind that because the US is "the big guy on thr block," we're going to get the most blame for doing this, but in reality the rest of the world is no better thn we! :rolleyes:

Removing Saddam was a good thing, he should never have been in power to begin with. I'm saying the way it was done was not right. What do you know about the elections in Iraq? I have a few friends who are from Iraq, mostly kurds, and one of them went for a visit last month and he said the situation is worse then ever for the iraqi people. He said that the free elections are considered to be a joke since they got to vote for a parliment who don't have any real political power or resources to enforce their politics with. The oil, the money and the army/police is still controlled by the same people who controlled it before USA interviened. The population haven't seen any improvments and are not likely to see any either.

"support our interests"??? What does that mean?

I have seen many conspiracy theories and I belive in some parts of what they're saying. I don't belive that CIA is a front for drugtrafficing, I don't belive 911 was staged by USA to get to start a war etc. I do however belive that wall street just like any other stock exchange in the world is subject to money laundering and that many stock exchanges, especially the bigger ones, have become somewhat dependent on this money. In Europe we have even started adding estimates of illegal buisness to our BNP, don't know if the US is doing this yet. This is nothing weird since a considerable part of all buisness is of illegal nature in some way and drug buisness alone is estimated to turnover 1.500.000.000.000$US every year.

As for the last part of your reply I have to ask you if you belive in what is written in the declaration of independence or if you belive that americans are worth more then other people in the world?

>>Flyboy<<
05-11-2005, 11:09 AM
As for the last part of your reply I have to ask you if you belive in what is written in the declaration of independence or if you belive that americans are worth more then other people in the world?

After 9-11 - YES!

>>Flyboy<<
05-11-2005, 11:18 AM
What do you know about the elections in Iraq?

I had a chance to meet an Iraqi who was visiting the Denver COM. He paints a different story, although admits there is still a lot of work to do.

The sweed
05-11-2005, 11:20 AM
After 9-11 - YES!

I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but if this is your firm belif the you are in fact a facsist according to the defenition of fascism!

The sweed
05-11-2005, 11:22 AM
I had a chance to meet an Iraqi who was visiting the Denver COM. He paints a different story, although admits there is still a lot of work to do.

What was this man working with?

>>Flyboy<<
05-11-2005, 11:25 AM
What was this man working with?

He was with a group visiting the Chamber of Commerce. There were about 8 of them. We spoke briefly, I told him by brother might be sent there this summer and he thanked me for supporting his nation....

The sweed
05-11-2005, 11:28 AM
He was with a group visiting the Chamber of Commerce. There were about 8 of them. We spoke briefly, I told him by brother might be sent there this summer and he thanked me for supporting his nation....

So he had some position of power in Iraq?

>>Flyboy<<
05-11-2005, 11:29 AM
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but if this is your firm belif the you are in fact a facsist according to the defenition of fascism!

And I think you're a socialist leftist from your statements on the way you think the world is supposed to be run.

Call me a fascist, but I support the interest of my family, my community and my country before I give 2 hoots about the rest of the world! I lived through the 1994 Northridge Earthquake. I saw no support or even an offer of support from this "global comunity." The support came from within and that was fine by me.

I could care less if the majority of the world hates this country. If we're that bad, don't trade with us, don't accept our aid, and don't embrace our culture. But what I do want the rest of the world to know that if attacked like Pearl Harbor, like 9-11, there will be a price to be paid and I make no apologies for that.

Like I said earlier, if you think this country is so bad, why are you here? You mentioned that there is great skiing in BC, well go there! At least your tax dollars won't be funding the Iraqi occupation!

>>Flyboy<<
05-11-2005, 11:30 AM
So he had some position of power in Iraq?

He ran a "small Business." I did ask one of the tour guides if these folks were rich and he said no, their trip was paid for by a group in the US.

The sweed
05-11-2005, 02:28 PM
Whatever, I guess everyone have different views of it.

Anyway don't you object to beeing called a fascist?

>>Flyboy<<
05-11-2005, 04:20 PM
Whatever, I guess everyone have different views of it.

Anyway don't you object to beeing called a fascist?

Well, I won't that I look at it as a compliment :) but what I see is you and I are from two different places, we see the world very differently. I'm politically conservative, am not afraid to see the US use military muscle when necessary and doesn’t care what the rest of the world thinks of America. In the end some of our most vile critics embrace our culture, purchase our products and have a yearning desire for the "American Dream," that's why so many people want to come here. Some folks from here may agree with your perception of me, but I actually consider myself moderate.

On the domestic level, I believe a woman should have a right to an abortion; Gays should not be discriminated against, strong social policies on a "State" level and affordable medical care. I also believe in Capitalism, I believe if you work hard, you could do anything you want and it’s because of the freedoms and opportunities found in this country that makes this possible.

Compared to the US I see many of the European countries (Sweden for one) as socialist’s states. You have high taxes, policies that don't induce private industry expansion, large governments and extensive social programs that although considered superior when compared to here, are not worth the price of a 60% tax bracket. I also see most European countries quick to criticize the US for taking a strong stance on an issue when they would capitulate or negotiate away their sovereignty, and that’s where I see us really differ. I see many Europeans who would rather criticize the US for all the bad it’s done rather than accept the good that’s been achieved. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t expect or want the European continent to agree with everything my country does but when I see a continual one-sidedness in a political situation that continually embraces our enemies and attempts to discredit our history well its here when I label someone as a "Leftist" the same way you label me as a "Fascist."

The sweed
05-11-2005, 05:56 PM
Well, I won't that I look at it as a compliment :) but what I see is you and I are from two different places, we see the world very differently. I'm politically conservative, am not afraid to see the US use military muscle when necessary and doesn’t care what the rest of the world thinks of America. In the end some of our most vile critics embrace our culture, purchase our products and have a yearning desire for the "American Dream," that's why so many people want to come here. Some folks from here may agree with your perception of me, but I actually consider myself moderate.

From www.wikipedia.org
Definition

The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that

* exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual
* uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition
* engages in severe economic and social regimentation
* engages in corporatism
* implements totalitarianism

This is what I'm accusing you of.
The fascists were very closely allied with the nazis during WW2 and if you support this I would consider you a much worse threat to worldpeace then any terrorist and subsecuently I think you should be locked up.
Furthermore, if this is the policy of your nation I think the world should strike at your country in preminission of further attacks from your country on others. Offcourse we could hardly strike at your country with military since you then wouldn't hesitate to use nuclear force to respond. This would mean we would have to use economical sanctions and covert opperations as our weapons.
Good bye to the american dream since much of your economy is based on exports and america is a fairly small market compared to the rest of the world. I stopped using american products about 2 months ago.

On the domestic level, I believe a woman should have a right to an abortion; Gays should not be discriminated against, strong social policies on a "State" level and affordable medical care. I also believe in Capitalism, I believe if you work hard, you could do anything you want and it’s because of the freedoms and opportunities found in this country that makes this possible.

I am also a capitalist, but that doesn't mean I can't belive in what Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1776.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
And I belive this to be the true american dream and I don't think it was meant to constitute to Americans alone, but to everyone ... even muslims.

Compared to the US I see many of the European countries (Sweden for one) as socialist’s states. You have high taxes, policies that don't induce private industry expansion, large governments and extensive social programs that although considered superior when compared to here, are not worth the price of a 60% tax bracket. I also see most European countries quick to criticize the US for taking a strong stance on an issue when they would capitulate or negotiate away their sovereignty, and that’s where I see us really differ. I see many Europeans who would rather criticize the US for all the bad it’s done rather than accept the good that’s been achieved. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t expect or want the European continent to agree with everything my country does but when I see a continual one-sidedness in a political situation that continually embraces our enemies and attempts to discredit our history well its here when I label someone as a "Leftist" the same way you label me as a "Fascist."

I vote for the most rightwinged party that sits in goverment in Sweden, internationally referd as the conservatives. Don't tell me I'm a socialist just because I belive that it's wrong to bomb other countries for national profits. I'd rather see a high tax bracket then war to keep my country going.
You're saying Europe has a one-sided politic, what about the US? You only have 2 opposing parties who are both considered very right wing compared to any other countries politics. If that isn't one-sided I don't know what is. In Sweden we have 7 parties ranging from the christian conservatives to the former communist party (now called the leftside party :D). Anyway, if that isn't political diversity I don't know what is.

>>Flyboy<<
05-12-2005, 09:10 AM
From www.wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org/)
Definition

The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that

* exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual
* uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition
* engages in severe economic and social regimentation
* engages in corporatism
* implements totalitarianism

This is what I'm accusing you of.
The fascists were very closely allied with the nazis during WW2 and if you support this I would consider you a much worse threat to worldpeace then any terrorist and subsecuently I think you should be locked up.
Furthermore, if this is the policy of your nation I think the world should strike at your country in preminission of further attacks from your country on others. Offcourse we could hardly strike at your country with military since you then wouldn't hesitate to use nuclear force to respond. This would mean we would have to use economical sanctions and covert opperations as our weapons.
Good bye to the american dream since much of your economy is based on exports and america is a fairly small market compared to the rest of the world. I stopped using american products about 2 months ago.



I am also a capitalist, but that doesn't mean I can't belive in what Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1776.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
And I belive this to be the true american dream and I don't think it was meant to constitute to Americans alone, but to everyone ... even muslims.



I vote for the most rightwinged party that sits in goverment in Sweden, internationally referd as the conservatives. Don't tell me I'm a socialist just because I belive that it's wrong to bomb other countries for national profits. I'd rather see a high tax bracket then war to keep my country going.
You're saying Europe has a one-sided politic, what about the US? You only have 2 opposing parties who are both considered very right wing compared to any other countries politics. If that isn't one-sided I don't know what is. In Sweden we have 7 parties ranging from the christian conservatives to the former communist party (now called the leftside party :D). Anyway, if that isn't political diversity I don't know what is.

You know Swede, I like you, but you crack me up.... To Quote you:

From www.wikipedia.org (http://www.wikipedia.org/)
Definition

The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that

* exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual
* uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition
* engages in severe economic and social regimentation
* engages in corporatism
* implements totalitarianism.

I bolded that Item for starters because you stated in the very next paragraph:

I would consider you a much worse threat to worldpeace then any terrorist and subsecuently I think you should be locked up.

In the next paragraph you make good reference to the words of Thomas Jefferson, Have you ever read this?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech"

AND YOU WANT TO HAVE ME LOCKED UP? WHO'S THE FASCIST!

There are folks here who have stated the 911 victims were "Little Eichmans." Although I find this repulsive, they have a right to free speech, at least in my country!

And to Quote you once again:

I think the world should strike at your country in preminission of further attacks from your country on others. Offcourse we could hardly strike at your country with military since you then wouldn't hesitate to use nuclear force to respond. This would mean we would have to use economical sanctions and covert opperations as our weapons.

I say bring it on any way you want to, but I would expect a statement like this from a person who served in an army whose sole military doctrine is to "Put up a good fight for two weeks, then hide"

And again...

And I belive this to be the true american dream and I don't think it was meant to constitute to Americans alone, but to everyone ... even muslims.

Never did I ever say that any race or religion shouldn’t share in the American Dream, here or abroad. What I am against is ANY religious leader using the color of God to perpetuate violence against a people, and that is what extremist Muslims clerics have done.

As far as political parties, here's a list of active American Parties who have ran in elections at all levels of government:

American Patriot Party
American Reform Party
American Synthesis Party
American Women Presidents
Communist Party of the U.S.A.
Constitution Party
Democratic Part
Democratic Socialists of America
Green Parties of North America
Labor Party
Libertarian Party
A Liberty Library
Light Party
National Committee for an Effective Congress
National Socialist Movement
Natural Law Party
New Party
Progressive Labor Party
Prohibition Party
Reform Party
National College Reform Party
Republican National Committee
Social Democrats, USA
Socialist Party USA
Socialist Labor Party
Veterans Party
Veterans Party of America
We The People
Workers World Party

You stated you stopped buying American Products 2 years ago, that’s just fine with me! Our NGP 3.1% yours is .18%, I think we won't starve with out your business and besides, you're the one who skis Montana! Again you have demonstrated your utmost hypocrisy in this matter! I haven't figured out if your writing this from Sweden or from the US, but if you are in Sweden, I recommend you stay there and take your ski trips to BC, or If you are residing in the US (legally I hope) just continue to pay your taxes! :D