Usa Out Of Middle East

[wontonfoey]

Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder.

Unfortunatly the poeple most affected by war are women and children and other CIVILIANS...who then are likely to become terrorists. That is the cycle of WAR.

Its interesting that a person from Isreal has such great WAR plans to be carried out with American dollars and lives. I say its high time we stop supporting Isreal because they are terrorizing the Palestians.

We are investing billions of dollars on rebuilding Iraq while our own schools have no paper.

American jobs are being outsourced while college costs are going up by 10% a year...Undergraduate public college education in Arizona which is considered a value" is $18,000 a year for a resident, while the federal Pell Grant is frozen in time. American's can't compete and are shopping themselves out of the middleclass.

All the while are living to avenge the deaths of a few thousand people and talking about gay marriage? Smoke and mirrors. We are headed for the Greatest Depression. The rich are getting richer...and the poor are getting more and more pissed off.

[>>Flyboy<<]

All the while are living to avenge the deaths of a few thousand people.

What if one of these was your mother or brother?

[The sweed]

good idea ... bomb them and then leave them to their destiny

[>>Flyboy<<]

good idea ... bomb them and then leave them to their destiny

Bin Laden already did

[Alexander the Great]

Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder.

Unfortunatly the poeple most affected by war are women and children and other CIVILIANS...who then are likely to become terrorists. That is the cycle of WAR.

Its interesting that a person from Isreal has such great WAR plans to be carried out with American dollars and lives. I say its high time we stop supporting Isreal because they are terrorizing the Palestians.

We are investing billions of dollars on rebuilding Iraq while our own schools have no paper.

American jobs are being outsourced while college costs are going up by 10% a year...Undergraduate public college education in Arizona which is considered a value" is $18,000 a year for a resident, while the federal Pell Grant is frozen in time. American's can't compete and are shopping themselves out of the middleclass.

All the while are living to avenge the deaths of a few thousand people and talking about gay marriage? Smoke and mirrors. We are headed for the Greatest Depression. The rich are getting richer...and the poor are getting more and more pissed off.

Yeah, and my familly members were murdered because they lived in a settelment and of them being Jewish....
The Mother and the babies were guilty.... I know.....

:mad:

[The sweed]

Bin Laden already did

yeah, he destroyed 90% of the infrastructure in your country ... lol
What Bin Laden did to USA can't be compared to what you've done to Iraq!

[The sweed]

Yeah, and my familly members were murdered because they lived in a settelment and of them being Jewish....
The Mother and the babies were guilty.... I know.....

:mad:

Did you know that palestinian women and children die in your attacks aswell? Are they guilty?

[Alexander the Great]

Did you know that palestinian women and children die in your attacks aswell? Are they guilty?


Nom but we don't kill women and childs in order to hurt civillians, sometimes a mistake, and horrible ones are being made, even though there was one time that the cursed officer killed a girl.

But they kill our civillians in order to kill civillians...

[The sweed]

LOL

You bomb residential areas with airplanes! How is that not an attack on civilians?

[Alexander the Great]

LOL

You bomb residential areas with airplanes! How is that not an attack on civilians?

And if those civillians hide terrorists at their houses?

[The sweed]

And if those civillians hide terrorists at their houses?

So with a SUSPISION that terrorists MIGHT be "hiding" in a residential area this would give you a reason to bomb this area?

If you agree to this then you must also agree that "the terrorists" might be SUSPECTING that israeli soldiers MIGHT be "hiding" at a café or on a bus that they choose for a target.

Is the difference really that big between you and them? Or are both sides paralized and blinded by fear and the need for revenge?

If a hamas soldier (not terrorist) would suspect that there lived an israeli soldier in a house, does that give him the right to blow this house up? If not, why would it be any different when an israeli sodier blow up a house where a hamas soldier (again, not terrorist) lives?

Replace hiding with living in the top 2 paragrphs and it might give you a perspective. The places you are bombing are no different to palestinians then cafés, buses etc are to israelis, it's where they live their lives. Just because you're using multi million dollar aircraft with hightech bombs and they have to strap themselves with C4 and blow themselves up it doesn't make them bad people, just poor and deserate.

[Alexander the Great]

So with a SUSPISION that terrorists MIGHT be "hiding" in a residential area this would give you a reason to bomb this area?

If you agree to this then you must also agree that "the terrorists" might be SUSPECTING that israeli soldiers MIGHT be "hiding" at a café or on a bus that they choose for a target.

Is the difference really that big between you and them? Or are both sides paralized and blinded by fear and the need for revenge?

If a hamas soldier (not terrorist) would suspect that there lived an israeli soldier in a house, does that give him the right to blow this house up? If not, why would it be any different when an israeli sodier blow up a house where a hamas soldier (again, not terrorist) lives?

Replace hiding with living in the top 2 paragrphs and it might give you a perspective. The places you are bombing are no different to palestinians then cafés, buses etc are to israelis, it's where they live their lives. Just because you're using multi million dollar aircraft with hightech bombs and they have to strap themselves with C4 and blow themselves up it doesn't make them bad people, just poor and deserate.


Can you please give me links to where you read about blowing houses?

[The sweed]

Can you please give me links to where you read about blowing houses?

http://www.jmcc.org/new/01/dec/airraids.htm

"Jenin: Israeli F-16 shelled headquarters of President Arafat in Jenin, the Governorate and Police Directorate. Several Palestinian homes, which locate near the bombarded targets, were also damaged in the air strike."

This is from last week. It's the first airstrikes you have made in a long time, but it has happend many times in the past. Today you are most regualry using tanks to do the job since the palestinians don't have any weapons to fight them either.

I like these pictures to illustrate this, especially have a look at the last one where the tank is aiming their turret at the kid after he has thrown a stone at it.
http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/tank-boy.jpg
http://www.polizeros.com/images/2002/11/08/boy-against-tank.jpg
http://ch.indymedia.org/images/2003/11/15966.jpg

[Alexander the Great]

http://www.jmcc.org/new/01/dec/airraids.htm

"Jenin: Israeli F-16 shelled headquarters of President Arafat in Jenin, the Governorate and Police Directorate. Several Palestinian homes, which locate near the bombarded targets, were also damaged in the air strike."

This is from last week. It's the first airstrikes you have made in a long time, but it has happend many times in the past. Today you are most regualry using tanks to do the job since the palestinians don't have any weapons to fight them either.

I like these pictures to illustrate this, especially have a look at the last one where the tank is aiming their turret at the kid after he has thrown a stone at it.
http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/tank-boy.jpg
http://www.polizeros.com/images/2002/11/08/boy-against-tank.jpg
http://ch.indymedia.org/images/2003/11/15966.jpg

Arafat is far from being '' Civillian "

[The sweed]

Arafat is far from being '' Civillian "

Several Palestinian homes, which locate near the bombarded targets, were also damaged in the air strike.

[Alexander the Great]

Several Palestinian homes, which locate near the bombarded targets, were also damaged in the air strike.

Who lived in those houses?
Usually those who've connections with Arafat, and they were terrorists.

[The sweed]

Who lived in those houses?
Usually those who've connections with Arafat, and they were terrorists.

ok, so everyone who lives in the neiborhood where Sharon lives or around Mossads HQ or around an armybase or a few hundred other places in Israel could then be considered fair game by anyone who wants to damage them?

And please stop referring to everyone you hurt as terrorists. They are no more terrorists then israeli soldiers or goverment officials. It's just your point of view.

I want to ask you this. What is the difference between a person inside a tank or a fightingjet blowing stuff up and someone who straps himself with C4 and blows stuff up?
I've tried to explain this to you before, the only real difference between them and you are money and means. Give them the same equipment that you have and I'm sure that would be the end of terrorism in Israel.

[Alexander the Great]

ok, so everyone who lives in the neiborhood where Sharon lives or around Mossads HQ or around an armybase or a few hundred other places in Israel could then be considered fair game by anyone who wants to damage them?

And please stop referring to everyone you hurt as terrorists. They are no more terrorists then israeli soldiers or goverment officials. It's just your point of view.

I want to ask you this. What is the difference between a person inside a tank or a fightingjet blowing stuff up and someone who straps himself with C4 and blows stuff up?
I've tried to explain this to you before, the only real difference between them and you are money and means. Give them the same equipment that you have and I'm sure that would be the end of terrorism in Israel.

And the beginnning of conventional war.
We've tried in Oslo, and that's the weapon they ise against us today.
And about Araffat, the region around his house was quite rich by what I know, and that's where he sent all his supporters who WERE terrorists.

[The sweed]

And the beginnning of conventional war.
We've tried in Oslo, and that's the weapon they ise against us today.
And about Araffat, the region around his house was quite rich by what I know, and that's where he sent all his supporters who WERE terrorists.

Yeah, they were all terrorists ... you are so very naiv. Anyways, Araffat is dead. Is his predecessor a terrorist aswell? Is everyone in palestine terrorists? What would it take for israel to agree on peace?

[Alexander the Great]

Yeah, they were all terrorists ... you are so very naiv. Anyways, Araffat is dead. Is his predecessor a terrorist aswell? Is everyone in palestine terrorists? What would it take for israel to agree on peace?


Don't put words in my mouth, I might be young but I'm not stupid.
And, yes, Mahmoud Abbas does nothing to annihilalte terror...

[The sweed]

Neither do I. Does that make me a terrorist?

They are in turn accusing you of zionism, what have your country done to stop that?

[Alexander the Great]

Neither do I. Does that make me a terrorist?

They are in turn accusing you of zionism, what have your country done to stop that?

But you don't have influence.
And, I'm a Zionist, WHAT'S EXACTLY BAD WITH THAT?! :mad: :mad:

[The sweed]

I understand that your country is based on zionism, but the zionist goal was achived in 1948 and that should have been the end of this movement. Today zionism is not what it used to be, it's an argument that the settlers use so they don't have to move out of occupied areas.

What I ment was that they accuse you of not dealing with the orthodox settlers who are using some sort of modern zionism in order to stay where they are. Why should they deal with their terrorists when you don't deal with these settlers?

[Alexander the Great]

I understand that your country is based on zionism, but the zionist goal was achived in 1948 and that should have been the end of this movement. Today zionism is not what it used to be, it's an argument that the settlers use so they don't have to move out of occupied areas.

What I ment was that they accuse you of not dealing with the orthodox settlers who are using some sort of modern zionism in order to stay where they are. Why should they deal with their terrorists when you don't deal with these settlers?


Hey, most settlers are Zionists, you talk about a minority, and part of the goal was Jerusalem as the capital. You speak about those in Gaza, that's something else.