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Alexander the Great
05-10-2005, 07:59 AM
I live in Israel.
As an Israeli Teenage, and as someone who've lived in Terror reality, here's my timeline for these, and my points of view, since Oslo:
At 1994, and I'm three years old, everyone were talking about the Oslo Agreements, and about the Peace that was about to come.

Even though my familly was rightist, thanks to Oslo, I've always lived in the Leftist Mythology, and as some Israelis ( very stupid ) called it, Good Ashkenazi Jew and a leftist.

All that ended in 2001. I was eleven, and the elections were coming.
Ehud Barak VS Ariel Sharon.

Than, my whole life changed.
The Al Aqsa Intifada started, while the Palestinians had a state, because Ariel Sharon visited the Western Wall.

So, suddenly, my teacher at school tells us, there's a War, and Ariel Sharon won the elections.

My leftist point of view started to crumble, though it didn't crush immidiately.

Than, when it seemed that all the world is against us, even our best friend, the USA, something, that set the flame was done.

11.9.01, The twin towers were crushed by a terrorist, whose name is Osama Bin Laden.

My world was shocked, and my faith in the Left became smaller.
With all the Terrorist attacks, where innocents were murdered, before we invaded.

That's continued, while I had no specific opinion.
In the 6th grade while I was 12, I've had the biggest luck in the World, I made a research on the Israeli Palestinian Conflict.

So, I've checked more and more, and I was shocked!

My leftist point of view completly collapsed, I became rightist, and I've checked and learnt more and more, and i've read the Oslo Agreements, the source to the problem.

Well, in my 7th Grade I've changed my opinion so fast, and I've started giving lectures in my Arabic Class about Islam and Politics.

Today, I'm afraid of the future, of WWIII that will happen, I think you know.

Now you tell me!
And as I've written about the past, I'll now write about the Future.

It's no shame to say, that there's an intiate propaganda within
the Israeli teenages.

All the songs that people say they're " cool ", are actually songs
that's based upon Israel and warrlike countries are wrong.
That's how songs are.

Not mentioning the Rabbin Memorial Day.

As they say in the leftists propaganda:

Rabbin was murdered by hideous and crazy rightist groups.

As I've proven, it's not a problem to make Objective Subjective.
So, in every Memorial Day they bring to us photos of Rabbin, and tells us how close he was to achieve peace....

Excuse me, but that b********t.

Rabbin knew absoultly nothing about Politics, and Oslo was one of the worst things ever happened to Israel, after the Yom Kippur war.

I've read Oslo, and even though there are parts I don't agree with, I'd say that it could've bring peace.

If it was done by Arafat.
Arafat lied to Rabbin from the 1st moment. No more than a Liar, that's what he was.

So he done nothing he was supposed, and Rabbin gave him weapons, the weapons the Palestinians use against us today.

So, to the Future, as I've said, the process od Oslo is absoulutly DEAD.
Even though leftists try to revive it, it's dead.
And the Propaganda in schools.
Very disgusting.
People, even teachers compare the Conflict to the Holocaust, in excuse, that's we can compare, because it's similiar.

So to all those, where are the Death and Concentration camps?

Where are the labour camps?
Where are the GHETTOS?

They don't exist.
I've heard quite often, from both students and teachers, the statements as:

We're doing them what's the Egyptians have done to us.
The refugee camps are like concentration camps.
How can we do a Genocide to others while we passed it?

That's what makes me disgust, this sort of Statements.

And they say School is Objective...
So in the future, I won't doubt that there will also be leftists who will kill rightists....


And to the Iranian problem, I'm sure that if Iran will pass the edge of achieving Nukes, we'll bomb them as we've done to Saddam.
But, the future is black by my point of view.
Iran heads toward destroying Israel with the Nukes she develops.

So if we bomb them for our own security, the world will get into great war.

Now, what would you say?
But who am I to say?

The sweed
05-10-2005, 10:51 AM
I'm reliefed to hear you're only 14-15 years old. You have to understand a few things. Israel have opressed the palestinian population for many, many years now. I'm not comparing it to the holocaust, that's like comparing a granade to a nuke, but you have to agree you haven't been saints.

The best sollution to this problem would be for you to drop your dark views of the future and try to see the possitive changes that have been made over the last few decades. 30-40 years ago you guys were in a full out war with the muslim world, today it's more like a bickering in comparsion.

Mistakes have been made on both sides and I'm sure we'll see more of them as time progresses, but the important point is that the situation have improved and that you've been closer to reaching settlement in the past decade then ever before. In the past few years we've seen an increase in violance, but this is just temorary. The current peacetreaty might be dead, but a new one will come along and make the situation even better. Over time this situation will have to be resolved, but it might be a long time before we see the end of it. The important thing is to not let the situation ascalate and I don't think the world would allow for this to happen today.

Last of all I would like to ask you about your paranioa of letting Iran getting nuclear weapons. If they ever lauched a nuke towards your country they would be wiped out form the face of the earth. Do you think this is their goal? To destroy their own country, I don't.

Alexander the Great
05-10-2005, 11:24 AM
I'm reliefed to hear you're only 14-15 years old. You have to understand a few things. Israel have opressed the palestinian population for many, many years now. I'm not comparing it to the holocaust, that's like comparing a granade to a nuke, but you have to agree you haven't been saints.

The best sollution to this problem would be for you to drop your dark views of the future and try to see the possitive changes that have been made over the last few decades. 30-40 years ago you guys were in a full out war with the muslim world, today it's more like a bickering in comparsion.

Mistakes have been made on both sides and I'm sure we'll see more of them as time progresses, but the important point is that the situation have improved and that you've been closer to reaching settlement in the past decade then ever before. In the past few years we've seen an increase in violance, but this is just temorary. The current peacetreaty might be dead, but a new one will come along and make the situation even better. Over time this situation will have to be resolved, but it might be a long time before we see the end of it. The important thing is to not let the situation ascalate and I don't think the world would allow for this to happen today.

Last of all I would like to ask you about your paranioa of letting Iran getting nuclear weapons. If they ever lauched a nuke towards your country they would be wiped out form the face of the earth. Do you think this is their goal? To destroy their own country, I don't.

So were they, far from being saints.
They started the war... I live in Israel, you don't....

And Iran, they won't hesitate.
I'd support to bomb their nuclear reactors right now.

But you don't live in this region, so even though I'm 14, I got far more knowledge about, and I've read all the agreements.
And, I live this reality, while you just hear it in the news.

The sweed
05-10-2005, 12:26 PM
So were they, far from being saints.
They started the war... I live in Israel, you don't....

And Iran, they won't hesitate.
I'd support to bomb their nuclear reactors right now.

But you don't live in this region, so even though I'm 14, I got far more knowledge about, and I've read all the agreements.
And, I live this reality, while you just hear it in the news.

Both sides are just as bad! I've never said anything els. The question is who'll step down and try to cool the situation. If you get to decide I'm sure you would prefer to bomb the paletinians back to the stoneage and hope that's the sollution to the problem, but that can only make it worse.

How do you know Iran won't hesitate?

The question about you beeing 14 is not of education or experience really, but about maturity. We have 14 yearolds in Sweden running around shouting seig hail and stuff like that, but who cares ... they're 14 years old. When they are 20 they'll have changed their perception and won't support nazis anymore. They'll grow out of it and realize how stupid they've been, hopefully you'll do the same.

Alexander the Great
05-11-2005, 06:36 AM
Both sides are just as bad! I've never said anything els. The question is who'll step down and try to cool the situation. If you get to decide I'm sure you would prefer to bomb the paletinians back to the stoneage and hope that's the sollution to the problem, but that can only make it worse.

How do you know Iran won't hesitate?

The question about you beeing 14 is not of education or experience really, but about maturity. We have 14 yearolds in Sweden running around shouting seig hail and stuff like that, but who cares ... they're 14 years old. When they are 20 they'll have changed their perception and won't support nazis anymore. They'll grow out of it and realize how stupid they've been, hopefully you'll do the same.


Iran declared it more than once...
And about age, 14 years old in Israel are well interested in Politics.
Even though some aren't the most matture, and I know some, almost 100% of the population between 10 - 18 can make political debates, and I've been in few, with adults.

The sweed
05-11-2005, 07:48 AM
Iran declared it more than once...
And about age, 14 years old in Israel are well interested in Politics.
Even though some aren't the most matture, and I know some, almost 100% of the population between 10 - 18 can make political debates, and I've been in few, with adults.

Yes. Anyone can take part in a political debate, but I'm saying your political views will change over the next 10 years. You will come to realizations that you haven't considered yet and you will become more patient. In fact 10 years from now you will be a completely different person with completely different views and values. It's not only you who will change tho, in 10 years time it will be a completely different world.

Alexander the Great
05-11-2005, 07:58 AM
Yes. Anyone can take part in a political debate, but I'm saying your political views will change over the next 10 years. You will come to realizations that you haven't considered yet and you will become more patient. In fact 10 years from now you will be a completely different person with completely different views and values. It's not only you who will change tho, in 10 years time it will be a completely different world.

Well, of course, as time change, and situation do, so do opinions.