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Old 11-12-2012, 11:33 AM   #11
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You would think during one of those tryst's there would be other things to talk about instead of high national security issues....Maybe there is something to be said about pillow talk..LOL
I like the way you think. Mr. GradStnt must be a lucky guy.

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Old 11-12-2012, 11:44 AM   #12
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This morning Joe Scarborough and team reported that the FBI conducted an investigation involving e-mails that the recipient 'DEEMED TO BE threatening in nature. The recipient asked a friend of hers that just happened to be an FBI agent to look into it. It should be noted that the recipient held no position of import other than being socially connected and having the personal friendship with this FBI agent. This gets pretty long but what they found was a connection to the biographer who in turn had a connection to the CIA director. To shorten the story the FBI found Petraeus did nothing untoward in any way, other than a loyalty problem with his little head. Apparently due to the extreme rivalry between the FBI and the CIA, the FBI used this personal, unimportant, politically charged, ridiculous opportunity to bring down a guy that has served this country above and beyond the norm. IMO PETRAEUS didn't deserve this.

Civil libertarians should be really concerned knowing that, if you get a message that by a stretch of the imagination could be construed as threatening, such as is exchanged from time to time between Max and I (nothing personal Max) AND YOU HAVE A FRIEND who just happens to be an FBI agent, you may be able to get that friend to use the FBI's resources to institute an investigation .

On a different note, this has been in progress for months and was held in confidence until the day after the election. That doesn't pass the smell test.

This won't be over until it's over.

As for your thoughts that more men cheat than women that is begging the question of who are these men cheating with if not a woman. Don't go into a gay speech please.

Perhaps women are just more inclined to keep their mouths closed when being surveyed than they are to keeping their legs closed in the heat of the moment. Just sayin' women are human animals too you know.

P.S I also found it interesting that you said “most married men will have at least one affair before they die.. I couldn’t help but think that, if a man was going to have an affair, it would certainly be best to do it sometime before he died
I watch at least some of Morning Joe most mornings. I did so today as did you. I don't share your cynicism though. First, do you believe that, if this story would have broken before the election, it would have adversely affected Obama? I just don't see how an undecided voter would decide to vote for Romney b/c the director of the CIA had cheated on his wife. Patraeus is (was?) regarded w/ respect by both Republicans and Democrats. I don't know what motivation Democrats would have had for covering up the story.

Also, if you watched the Morning Joe, you know that, regardless of whether or not you believe that Obama new of Petraeus's infidelity before the election, it's clear that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, a Republican, was made of aware of it during the last week in October. If you believe this issue would have been important to voters, then you should be pissed that Cantor failed to inform the electorate.
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I watch at least some of Morning Joe most mornings. I did so today as did you. I don't share your cynicism though. First, do you believe that, if this story would have broken before the election, it would have adversely affected Obama? I just don't see how an undecided voter would decide to vote for Romney b/c the director of the CIA had cheated on his wife. Patraeus is (was?) regarded w/ respect by both Republicans and Democrats. I don't know what motivation Democrats would have had for covering up the story.

Also, if you watched the Morning Joe, you know that, regardless of whether or not you believe that Obama new of Petraeus's infidelity before the election, it's clear that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, a Republican, was made of aware of it during the last week in October. If you believe this issue would have been important to voters, then you should be pissed that Cantor failed to inform the electorate.
Good points. But screwing with his rank and employment could give someone some leverage. Still, spies have to keep it zipped. If he wanted to screw around he should have become a lawyer!
Or a film star! Or a real politician.

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Old 11-12-2012, 01:24 PM   #14
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Good points. But screwing with his rank and employment could give someone some leverage. Still, spies have to keep it zipped. If he wanted to screw around he should have become a lawyer!
Or a film star! Or a real politician.
You are right, but that point goes to whether it was or wasn't valid to investigate him in the first place. DA's point, I think, was that the White House may have suppressed the story until it was too late to have any effect on the election. The essence of my response was to ask, "How could it have affected the election."
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:43 PM   #15
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You are right, but that point goes to whether it was or wasn't valid to investigate him in the first place. DA's point, I think, was that the White House may have suppressed the story until it was too late to have any effect on the election. The essence of my response was to ask, "How could it have affected the election."

I have the answer to that .... it wasn't the fact of an affair. Hell, Like Leno says ..."If the CIA director can't keep an affair secret, you don't have a chance."

It was about the other stuff that is coming out now like a maybe a Secret Prison in Benghazi; the presence of the two Seals trying to get the missing weapons (a cover story) and the fact that the Terrorists might have been trying to extricate their associates from a prison that wasn't supposed to exist in the first place.

It seems that the idle pillow talk that GradStudnt was referring to and the 3rd women, and her husband that really tip off the FBI might have helped uncover a lot more than anyone wanted known about Benghazi and the General's dalliance.

So there is probably more to come out or it will all get buried and go away. Either way, there were some embarrassing revelations that might have come out so the Administration was playing CYA, and it seems they should have done a better job playing CYA to start with!

Amateurs, they are all fucking amateurs!
If they want to learn how to keep a secret they should talk to the Chinese and the Hollywood script writers that keep the plots of their movies secret even after they have premiered!!
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:17 PM   #16
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I watch at least some of Morning Joe most mornings. I did so today as did you. I don't share your cynicism though. First, do you believe that, if this story would have broken before the election, it would have adversely affected Obama? I just don't see how an undecided voter would decide to vote for Romney b/c the director of the CIA had cheated on his wife. Patraeus is (was?) regarded w/ respect by both Republicans and Democrats. I don't know what motivation Democrats would have had for covering up the story.
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Also, if you watched the Morning Joe, you know that, regardless of whether or not you believe that Obama new of Petraeus's infidelity before the election, it's clear that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, a Republican, was made of aware of it during the last week in October. If you believe this issue would have been important to voters, then you should be pissed that Cantor failed to inform the electorate.
Dianne Feinstein, the Chairperson of the Senate Intelligence Committee said on the Sunday talk shows that the reason she was not informed due to the classified nature of the investigation. She was not happy with that explanation and stated clearly that there are procedures in place for the Chairs ans second Chairs of both the senate and the house are to be informed of things of this nature that may be a security risk. The agency(FBI)should notify both chambers of the investigation and they are simply asked to hold it in confidence. That notification process was obviously not followed.

To address the fact that one of those dastardly Republicans was informed but didn't make the information public may very well be that he was told or asked to keep the information in confidence.

The White House is saying that they were not told at all until 5:00 PM Nov. 6. It is also being reported that the AG was informed several months ago. This is beginning to sound a lot like the F&F snow job we got from Holder. Did the AG feel that it was unimportant to inform the top people in the White House. The last I heard most of them have top security clearance. Or Maybe it isn't important to tell the POTUS that the guy heading up the intel operation for the whole damn country may (I repeat)may be in a precarious security position.

I never said that the W.H. administration withheld the information until after the election. I am agreeing with Dianne Feinstein though in that the whole damn thing doesn't pass the smell test. I'm also of the opinion that this administration does not operate in a cohesive manor. I have zero confidence in Eric Holder. He just does his own thing is either incompetent, is suffering from a loss of memory or he is a damn lier.

Who really knows why this was brought out, coincidentally, on the day of the election. The FBI has stated that the General's only actual wrong doing appears to be infidelity to his wife.

Would it have changed the election?? I doubt that. That die was already cast. If it had been brought out sooner could it have been a distraction. Possibly but I doubt that too because Obama and company were in full campaign mode and nothing would have broken that concentration. At this point Holder has Potus' back by either not informing him or saying that he didn't inform him. Am I pissed at Cantor? Not at all.

Hopefully you would admit that this is indeed a scandal that goes pretty near the top of this administration with ramifications yet unknown. Maybe we'll know what really took place prior to the 2016b election.

It wouldn't have made a difference but one has to ask if it wasn't just being expedient to withhold it until after the election just avoid any possibly distractions of the voters.

The same may be said of the person in the FBI that may have thought that it would be charitable to wait. WTF knows.

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You are right, but that point goes to whether it was or wasn't valid to investigate him in the first place. DA's point, I think, was that the White House may have suppressed the story until it was too late to have any effect on the election. The essence of my response was to ask, "How could it have affected the election."
My concern here is not to question if Petreaus should be investigated. Of course he should be if there is even a slight reason to question his integrity and obviously there was that.

The question I was asking was more to the point of whether or not it was proper for an FBI agent to get involved in a friends complaint that she received some weird E-mails. That was the trail that ultimately lead to Petreaus. I admit that I don't know the content of the e-mails but my point was more to question if that was proper use of his office and it may well be.
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This story gets more weird with each passing day. I'm withholding judgement until everything shakes out.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:35 AM   #18
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This story gets more weird with each passing day. I'm withholding judgement until everything shakes out.
And it gets even more weird with this: http://news.yahoo.com/general-invest...-politics.html

I'm out of here for a couple of days so the rest of you will have to solve all the problems of the world without me.
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It now seems that another embarrassment may have been buried until after the election. If true, how convenient.

http://news.yahoo.com/official-petra...195406888.html
He was actually a great hope for the GOP. This was another nonpartisan pick from the WH that EVERYBODY supported.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:27 AM   #20
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I wonder if this is a case of "hell has no fury like a woman scorned"

http://www.businessinsider.com/petra...kelley-2012-11
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