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Old 11-15-2012, 09:49 AM   #11
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So John Chapter 1 is correct and Revelation is wrong?
The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is TRUE. and so is John chapter 1.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:12 AM   #12
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Revelation 20:13

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Does this mean because you are judged by your works, that some one who is without faith but lives a humble and pure life will not go to hell?
None of us has lived up to God's standard of behavior so we all deserve to be condemned to hell. Jesus died and rose from the dead to atone for our sins and enable us to be forgiven. Anyone who puts his faith in him will be forgiven; anyone who doesn't will have to bear the punishment for his sins.

But while we have all sinned we haven't all sinned to the same degree. The works of those condemned to hell won't be judged to determine whether they will be condemned to hell but to determine how severe their punishment will be. God is absolutely just and each person in hell will receive the exact amount of punishment that he deserves.

Those who are saved will be saved purely as a result of God's grace and not because of anything they have done but when they reach heaven they will be rewarded by how faithfully they have served God after salvation. You can learn more about this here:

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Old 11-15-2012, 03:56 PM   #13
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The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is TRUE. and so is John chapter 1.
The Book of Revelation is of "John the Divine" not of "Jesus the Christ".

What of the people who died before Jesus came and never accepted him? All the chlidren of Israel who "God" promised his kingdom to who died before Jesus? What happens to them?
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:59 PM   #14
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None of us has lived up to God's standard of behavior so we all deserve to be condemned to hell. Jesus died and rose from the dead to atone for our sins and enable us to be forgiven. Anyone who puts his faith in him will be forgiven; anyone who doesn't will have to bear the punishment for his sins.

But while we have all sinned we haven't all sinned to the same degree. The works of those condemned to hell won't be judged to determine whether they will be condemned to hell but to determine how severe their punishment will be. God is absolutely just and each person in hell will receive the exact amount of punishment that he deserves.

Those who are saved will be saved purely as a result of God's grace and not because of anything they have done but when they reach heaven they will be rewarded by how faithfully they have served God after salvation.
How just can eternal damnation be? How would variable degrees of eternal suffering be just or even truly be judging based on works?
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:40 PM   #15
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How just can eternal damnation be? How would variable degrees of eternal suffering be just or even truly be judging based on works?
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:51 PM   #16
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None of us has lived up to God's standard of behavior so we all deserve to be condemned to hell.
Another thing I dislike about christianity is the idea that we ALL deserve hell because we do not act as 'god' wants us to. This is probably because many of the things 'god' wants us to do and not do are human nature. In other words; 'god' is demanding that we not do things that are part of our nature, things we're suppose to do, or can't help doing. Probably to make us scared that we'll surely go to hell if we don't do everything the church tells us to.
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:18 PM   #17
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The Book of Revelation is of "John the Divine" not of "Jesus the Christ".
You're incorrect. The book of Revelation is the "Revelation of Jesus Christ." Start by reading the first chapter.

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What of the people who died before Jesus came and never accepted him? All the chlidren of Israel who "God" promised his kingdom to who died before Jesus? What happens to them?
The believers, the faithful went to paradise. The unbelievers, the wicked went to hell.

And at the last judgement...they will all be judged according to their works.
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:46 PM   #18
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And at the last judgement...they will all be judged according to their works.
Your god seems to judge people more on there beliefs then there deeds, since not believing is the unforgivable sin. You would think he would send the people who KNEW he existed, but STILL went against him, to hell, rather than the people who DIDN'T know he existed.
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None of us has lived up to God's standard of behavior so we all deserve to be condemned to hell.
Yeah! Your god sets standards that are impossible for his followers to achieve...and then he condemns them to 'hell' for not achieving the standards that he made impossible for them to achieve. Brilliant! What a fuck-wit you worship.

That's the brilliant thing about Christianity. Set the bar so high that you know the non-thinking acolytes can't get over it. Convince them that they are miserable, worthless sinners that don't deserve to live because the can't achieve the impossible standards that you have set and then...and here's the brilliant part...GET THEM TO ADMIT THAT IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT!!!! LMFAO!!
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:21 AM   #20
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The Book of Revelation is of "John the Divine" not of "Jesus the Christ".

What of the people who died before Jesus came and never accepted him? All the chlidren of Israel who "God" promised his kingdom to who died before Jesus? What happens to them?
Because Jesus sacrifice pays all these debts, then as long as all people FORGIVE or ask help for forgiveness, then this divine Grace can be received that heals and redeems on a spiritual level. The physical debts may remain if those are still carried by affected generations who haven't forgiven yet and repeat the same transgressions; whenever these are forgiven on a spiritual level and corrected on a physical level, such transgressions from the past can still be resolved in the future.

As for souls already departed from earth before or without receiving this healing grace in Christ Jesus, I would explain it this way:
(a) for people who believe there is a judgment on a spiritual plane after death, then it is still possible for the souls to be witnessed to in the spirit of Christ Jesus who is on that level also, so they can still receive and be saved from suffering in unforgiveness
(b) for people who believe there is a connection between past and future generations on a spiritual level (whether this is called generational karma, curses, or sins revisited on future generations caused by unforgiveness of past unresolved conflicts), then the people praying in the future generations who HAVE received Christ may be handing over these sins passed down to be healed and resolved, where the souls that suffered before, in praying for them in Christ Jesus are able to be released. So the repeated sins provide future chances for people to forgive and resolve these debts in Christ Jesus, and all people in that lineage can be freed from the suffering when it is all given over to Jesus authority to absolve, over all time and space, for all humanity.

So the sacrifice of Christ Jesus does break the cycle over all time, past and future, as the concept of his descending into hell and witnessing to the souls suffering there. But from our human linear perspective, this plays out when FUTURE generations pray in agreement in Christ to resolve sins that were passed down from before; from God's perspective, the prayers and the process transcends time and space and is not linear like our human minds perceive.

The best way I can describe it from a human perspective is (a) and (b) above.
The way the spiritual healing and prayer process works, it covers all past and future as one, wherever there is forgiveness and prayer to ask help for forgiveness, then God's will is done, regardless where this occurs in time.
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