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Why should we study the Bible? Second Timothy 3:16 gives us four reasons.
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.
Teaching

The first reason is the fact that it teaches us about God.

We can learn some things about him from other sources. The Bible itself mentions two ways we can know about him.

The existence and power of God can be seen through what he has created.
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made.
Romans 1:19-20 ESV

Everyone is born with an innate sense of right and wrong.
When Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts.
Romans 2:14-15 ESV

Because these sources of knowledge are universal everyone has some knowledge of God and all religions contain some truth. Unfortunately this knowledge by itself isn’t enough to enable people to really know God because it is incomplete and is usually mixed with false beliefs.

In the Bible we can find out everything that God wants to reveal to us about himself. It is the only source of information that is complete and free from any error.

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The Bible does more that simply give us information about God. It also tells us how he wants us to live. Jesus has given us a summary of what God requires from us.
And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?”
Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
Mark 12:28-31 ESV

Perhaps you love God but do you love him with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength? God created us and every good thing we have is a gift from him. He deserves first place in every part of our life. Any time we put anything else ahead of him we are violating the most important commandment he has given us.

The best way for us to show our love for God is to obey his command that we love our neighbor as ourself. Most of us have some love for our neighbor and are willing to do good for him but how many of us love him as much as we love ourself?

If we examine our lives honestly and compare them with what the Bible says we will be forced to admit that we haven’t lived up to what God requires of us.

Correction

God knows that none of us can meet his standards by our own efforts but he loves us and so has made a way for our sins to be forgiven. He sent his Son, Jesus Christ, into the world to save us from our sins. Jesus lived a perfect life and completely fulfilled God’s requirements. He then allowed himself to be crucified so that he could bear the punishment we deserve.
But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way;and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53:5-6 ESV

Anyone who will acknowledge his sins and his inability to meet God’s standard and put his faith in Jesus will have his sins forgiven.
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Romans 10:9-10 ESV


Training in righteousness

Finally the Bible tells us how we are supposed to live after we have been forgiven. Forgiveness brings with it a new life and a new relationship with God. This change must be reflected in the way we live. If we obey God completely our life be radically different from what it was before.

God will be the center of everything we do.
Whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God, just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.
1 Corinthians 10:31-33 ESV
We will realize that this earthly life is temporary and we must use it to prepare for the heavenly life that is ahead of us.
If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
Colossians 3:1-4 ESV

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Matthew 6:19-21 ESV
There is one mistake some people make when they read what the Bible says about living the Christian life. They think that this is what we must do to be saved. The Bible plainly says that we aren’t saved by living a good life but by faith in Christ, but after we are saved we will begin living a life of service to God.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10 ESV
If you have tried to live a Christian life and failed you should examine your life and see whether you have become a Christian by believing in Christ. You need to first be saved by faith in Christ and then God will give you the power you need to live a life that pleases him.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:36 PM   #2
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Quote: Why should we study the Bible? Second Timothy 3:16 gives us four reasons.
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.

Teaching

Unfortunately too, 2 Timothy 3:16 is the most misunderstood and misused passage in the entire Bible used by those who would cheery-pick this or that passage to make up their own particular "faith".

Please if you will look at the contrast of Paul's advice to the youthful Timothy here and turn the page to Titus 1:10 and see Paul's advice to his other youthful protege: "For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group."

So let's talk turkey now, IF the Bible (and this is the Old Testament version) was truly INSPIRED and useful for CORRECTION, Paul's advice to Titus would be false. You see that the difference is that Timothy has just recently became OFFICIALLY a Jew. (The presumtion being that his mother was a Jew and the father possiblly a Greek or something else). Now in this case of Titus his lineage is purely Gentile, he was never raised upon "Inspired" Hebrew Scriptures, nor are they needed for "reproof, correction or training" in the case of Titus and other Gentiles.. How could Titus be trained with something he never learned?

Once again almost all of Christendumb has read in to 2 Timothy 3:16 far more than is actually there and fails to turn the page to the Gentile Titus. As I repeat myself endlessly this is due to OLD TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN CHURCHES dominating the faith of America. They are two entirely differing manifests which do not comfortably fit together and Paul is at the center of it as he is the one figure (and not Peter-despite what it says) who altered the early JEWISH CHRISTIANITY to fit it for the Gentiles. Without Paul, there would have been no Christian religion. Paul states over and over 'he recived nothing from the apostles'. The Gospel he preached he RECEIVED DIRECTLY REVELATIONS FROM GOD HIMSELF. That is what he said many times-look for it.
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Everyone is born with an innate sense of right and wrong.
No they are not 'Right and wrong' are taught to us through childhood. They are attributes that are LEARNED. If everyone was born with a sense of right and wrong, ALL people, ALL over the world in ALL different cultures would ALL have the same sense of what was right and what was wrong wouldn't they. Clearly, that is not the case so you are talking out of your arse again.

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Because these sources of knowledge are universal everyone has some knowledge of God......
Which 'god'?

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In the Bible we can find out everything that God wants to reveal to us about himself. It is the only source of information that is complete and free from any error.
Now you're just being stupid. Would you like me to give you just a few Bible errors to chew on??

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God created us .....
So you believe.

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If we examine our lives honestly and compare them with what the Bible says we will be forced to admit that we haven’t lived up to what God requires of us.
..but you can't do that, no matter how hard you try......that's the whole point of Christianity! It constantly tell you that you will never be anything more than a miserable, unworthy sinner.... whilst at the same time, it constantly demands that you live up to your god's standards ....which you can never do.....because you're a miserable, unworthy sinner. This is the way in which Christianity drives you into an ever decreasing circle of self-hate and self-rejection.... until you arrive, as you clearly have now, at the point when you feel that you couldn't survive without having a supernatural entity to help you through the miserable, sinful life that they have convinced you that you lead. That's the clever thing about religion.....it feeds off the insecurity of the masses.

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God knows that none of us can meet his standards .....
So he punishes you for not being able to do what he has made sure you cannot do...because the bar is too high.

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He sent his Son, Jesus Christ, into the world to save us from our sins.
Again....so you believe.

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Jesus lived a perfect life and completely fulfilled God’s requirements. He then allowed himself to be crucified so that he could bear the punishment we deserve.
There's that self hatred again.

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Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
So I assume that you have sold all your possessions and given the money to the poor....right?
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Your question should be, why should we study Dr. Suess books. In comparison to the bible, they are both made up, the difference is, Dr. Suess rhymes.
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Your question should be, why should we study Dr. Suess books. In comparison to the bible, they are both made up, the difference is, Dr. Suess rhymes.
Nope, Horton really did hear a Who.
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No they are not 'Right and wrong' are taught to us through childhood. They are attributes that are LEARNED. If everyone was born with a sense of right and wrong, ALL people, ALL over the world in ALL different cultures would ALL have the same sense of what was right and what was wrong wouldn't they.
People have different ideas about what is right and what is wrong because of what they are taught but the belief that some things are inherently right and some are wrong is universal. Many people don't believe this because they have suppressed this knowledge.
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As I said, the problem of OT Christian preachers is that they fail to comprehend that Paul is making a distinction between Jew and non-Jew, the OT (fulfilled) and the "New" which his considered personal philosophy is not only his own works but in retrospect handed through to his co-workers who wrote the NT.

The Old Testament Christians who want to crucify us all upon 31,000 Bible verses of both Old and New are creating an impossible legalism of faith and ignored the words of Paul at Colosians 2:14(RSV): "(H)aving canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands, this he set aside, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS." (EM)

So maybe even today one can be a Jay Sekulow, who is fully Jew; and fully Christian but if one frankly reads the Epistle to the Romans, they rightly ought to put that out to pasture too.

For ANY Gentile-was NEVER, EVER, OR COULD BE under the Old Testament! Dump it! Ditch it! Let it loose! Let it go! Not a wit of it pertains to gentile history. And think about it, it really didn't do all that much for the people that it was for in the first place!

My favorite example of "inspiration" is Cleananthes "Hymn To Zeus" which Paul starts to quote at Acts 17:28. So does it become "God-breathed" simply because Paul quotes it? Does that mean then that it's OK to worship Zeus?

Folks, you've got to use your heads when it comes to this Bible stuff. Both Jesus and Paul love to quote "Doxologies" that they did not write and they merely quoted from the Synagogue which were already centuries old!

Ask your Pastors some questions about this (one on one-of course). Especially if they are ones always talking about and preaching on the OT. If you are a gentile, the pastor is a gentile, everone is a gentile, why do you make the OT your chief focus? Depending on the answers you're getting-you're probably in the wrong church. Stop tithing and and at least try to find a church that will preach in the NT!

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Why should we study the Bible? Second Timothy 3:16 gives us four reasons.
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.

Scripture was breathed out by man and man alone. Since nobody, even in biblical times, has ever truly had a face to face with God nobody can say that he really exists. It is unacceptable to accept that notion he "inspired" the writers. That too is unproven.


Teaching

The first reason is the fact that it teaches us about God.

It teaches what man and the church wants you to believe about God. Since nobody knows if there is a God or not the bible is either false or just a fairy tale as it pertains to (a) God.

We can learn some things about him from other sources. The Bible itself mentions two ways we can know about him.

The existence and power of God can be seen through what he has created.
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made.

God created nothing. If you have any scientific understanding about the world, our solar system, galaxy, and universe you would see creation is quite impossible by an absent invisible, spiritual entity.

Romans 1:19-20 ESV

Everyone is born with an innate sense of right and wrong.
When Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts.

So the Bible says. I seconds Plads comment.

Romans 2:14-15 ESV

Because these sources of knowledge are universal everyone has some knowledge of God and all religions contain some truth. Unfortunately this knowledge by itself isn’t enough to enable people to really know God because it is incomplete and is usually mixed with false beliefs.

In the Bible we can find out everything that God wants to reveal to us about himself. It is the only source of information that is complete and free from any error.

Since the Bible was written by man and there is no factual proof that God had anything to do with its writing, we are left once again with what man and the church want you to believe.


Reproof

The Bible does more that simply give us information about God. It also tells us how he wants us to live. Jesus has given us a summary of what God requires from us.
And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?”
Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
Mark 12:28-31 ESV

Perhaps you love God but do you love him with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength? God created us and every good thing we have is a gift from him. He deserves first place in every part of our life. Any time we put anything else ahead of him we are violating the most important commandment he has given us.

Breaking down the individual and forcefully installing what others want you to believe is the first step of brainwashing. What is explained above is that first step.

The best way for us to show our love for God is to obey his command that we love our neighbor as ourself. Most of us have some love for our neighbor and are willing to do good for him but how many of us love him as much as we love ourself?

As a non-believer, I have the utmost regard for all living things and my treatment of my neighbors is born from the idea that all living things are experiencing a unique phenomenom that the universe has provided. We all have an awareness and we are all equal. One entity has no more importance in the universe than the other thus all life is of equal value. The Bible doesn't teach this concept and pits one neighbor against the other by claiming my God is better than your God and if you don't follow the way of God you are nothing. The (self) rightous look down their noses at those who are not rightous according to the Bible and their belief in God and treat them of lessor value.
If we examine our lives honestly and compare them with what the Bible says we will be forced to admit that we haven’t lived up to what God requires of us.

If God is the measurement, I exceed his expectations.


Correction

God knows that none of us can meet his standards by our own efforts but he loves us and so has made a way for our sins to be forgiven. He sent his Son, Jesus Christ, into the world to save us from our sins. Jesus lived a perfect life and completely fulfilled God’s requirements. He then allowed himself to be crucified so that he could bear the punishment we deserve.
But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way;and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Jesus was not Gods son if he existed at all. If he did exist he surely was not devine and if Jesus was a perfect and fullfilled Gods requirement, that isn't saying much about God.

Isaiah 53:5-6 ESV

Anyone who will acknowledge his sins and his inability to meet God’s standard and put his faith in Jesus will have his sins forgiven.
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Romans 10:9-10 ESV


There yha go. Believe or die. Really??

Training in righteousness

Finally the Bible tells us how we are supposed to live after we have been forgiven. Forgiveness brings with it a new life and a new relationship with God. This change must be reflected in the way we live. If we obey God completely our life be radically different from what it was before.

No it won't. The very reason I turned away from belief in the first place. You can't show me one instance where that is true, but I can show you millions of examples it isn't true.

God will be the center of everything we do.
Whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God, just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.
1 Corinthians 10:31-33 ESV
We will realize that this earthly life is temporary and we must use it to prepare for the heavenly life that is ahead of us.
If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
Colossians 3:1-4 ESV

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Matthew 6:19-21 ESV
There is one mistake some people make when they read what the Bible says about living the Christian life. They think that this is what we must do to be saved. The Bible plainly says that we aren’t saved by living a good life but by faith in Christ, but after we are saved we will begin living a life of service to God.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10 ESV
If you have tried to live a Christian life and failed you should examine your life and see whether you have become a Christian by believing in Christ. You need to first be saved by faith in Christ and then God will give you the power you need to live a life that pleases him.
It doesn't work. I am living testimony to that.
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