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Old 12-24-2012, 12:24 PM   #1
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Isaiah 7:14


New King James Version

14. Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.[a]


Isaiah 9:6-7

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6. For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7. Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.


Prophecy fulfilled



Matthew 1:20-23

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20. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21. And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
22. So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23. “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”


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Old 12-24-2012, 12:38 PM   #2
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:46 PM   #3
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Matthew 1:20-23

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20. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21. And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
22. So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23. “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
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Well, you know how I hate to bust your bubble. BUT, this is such a classic Bible nonsequitor that needs no further explaination from me. Going to the Old Testament where that "prophecy" is announced we find that the Hebrew word "almah" was mistranslated in the Greek Septuagint and we must never forget that [Jesus] Paul and his circle were ALL Greek speaking Jews. They did NOT use the Hebrew scriptures but the LXX version. So from that sad mistranslation , a "virgin" was born where there once was a "young woman".

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Old 12-27-2012, 02:28 PM   #5
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:41 AM   #6
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...Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son...
Revised Standard Version (Margin: "virgin")

...behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son,...
The Holy Scriptures According To The Masoretic Text, Jewish Publication Society.
(The Masoretic text was re-vised in response to Christianity).

...A young woman is with child, and she will bear a son...
New English Bible

...a young woman*who is pregnant will have a son...
Footnote: The Hebrew word here translated "young woman" is not the particular term for "virgin", but rerfers to any young woman of marriageable age. The use of "virgin" in Mt 1:28 reflects a Greek translation of the (OT), made some 500 years after Isaiah."
Today's English Version

...Look, the young woman is with child and shall bear a son... (Margin: "virgin")
The New Revised Standard Version

...Behold, a young woman is with child, and is about to bear a son...
Smith Goodspeed-An American Translation

...The maiden herself will actually become pregnant and she is giving birth to a son...
The New World Translation 1961 Edition
(While Jehovah's Witnesses are just as set on the "virgin birth" as any other fundamentalist group, this passage must have presented a conundrum for Freddie Franz to uphhold the literalness of the "miracle" while at the same time upholding the literalness of the text.

...behold, a virgin*shall conceive in the womb, and shall bring forth a son...
Brenton: The Greek Septuagint (LXX). Greek-English Lexicon.
*"parthenos"=that is, the eternal virginity of the Greek goddes Athena.

Anyone still having a question on this is directed to the public library to obtain a copy of "The Birth Of The Messiah" by Catholic scholar Raymond E. Brown.

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Isaiah 7:14

New King James Version

14. Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name *Immanuel.
*Literally God-With-Us




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THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.

Prophecy


Isaiah 7:14


New King James Version

14. Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.[a]


Isaiah 9:6-7

New King James Version

6. For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7. Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.


Prophecy fulfilled



Matthew 1:20-23

New King James Version

20. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21. And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
22. So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23. “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”



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Old 12-31-2012, 07:33 AM   #8
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The "Virgin" birth idea was not christian in the first place, it was taken from many other older sources. One example of the "Virgin birth concept" was Zoroastian and the prophit Zarathustra told his people the last "Savior" of mankind would be born of a virgin. The Zoroatastrians are reffered to in the Bible, they are the Magi in Egypt and the 3 Kings in Bethlaham. They historicaly where the priest in Babylon durring the Hebbrew captivity (it is believed that durring this time the Hebbrews view of their God was altered by the influance of the Zoroastrians).


I know I have posted this in the past, but as seeing everyone seems to like circular logic....
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When the author of 'Matthew' decided to invent a virgin birth for the Christian man-god he REALLY screwed up. It meant that BibleJesus could no longer be the Jewish Messiah. What a fabulous 'own goal'!
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[b]Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name *Immanuel.
What a stoater then that the Christians named their man-god 'Jesus' and not 'Immanuel'. LMFAO!
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