Register FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Evil Empire Forums > Politics

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 32 votes, 2.94 average. Display Modes
Old 01-07-2013, 06:03 AM   #81
dumbass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Lakewood
Posts: 4,125
dumbass recently placed 2nd in a local hot wings-eating contest
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pladecalvo View Post
Times have changed pal...you're not in the 'Wild West' now .....or perhaps you still are?
Laws get to be changed by governments all the time...that's one of the reasons why we have governments. You need to live with that.
Governments are not infallible and do things that either ignore logic or intentionally place politics above the common good. Two shining examples: Spain has been borrowing money from the reserve for it's social security type of retirement fund and buying it's own debt as opposed to being fiscally responsible. It appears that Spain tore a page out of the US social security play book and without facing reality both countries are going to learn the hard way that when you find yourself in a hole --- STOP DIGGING.

You're correct that change happens within Governments all of the time but "CHANGE" doesn't necessarily equate to something positive. Ask the retirees of both Spain and The US if they have a warm fuzzy feeling about the change that permits their retirement funds being raided by their governments.

Back to the point, ask the Aussies and Philippians what their CHANGING government's gun confiscation laws have done to improve their lives.

Our 2nd amendment was written for a purpose at least as great as personal protection if not greater, that being a constant reminder to the government that it serves for the benefit of and at the pleasure of the Governed. You may not understand the importance placed on that here.
__________________
"IT TAKES A DISCIPLINED PERSON TO LISTEN TO THE CONVICTIONS DIFFERENT THAN OUR OWN" Dorothy Fuldheim

"BE WHO YOU ARE AND SAY WHAT YOU FEEL BECAUSE THOSE WHO MIND DON'T MATTER AND THOSE THAT MATTER DON'T MIND." Dr. Suess
dumbass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 09:32 AM   #82
Wouldhe
Senior Member
 
Wouldhe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 8,828
Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!Wouldhe has a lot of green dots.  Look at all those green dots!  Wow!!!!!
Default

As I mentioned earlier, we need to identify those with mental conditions. The guns don't shoot themselves. With that said, I provide evidence to my assertion.

Since last month’s horrifying and heartbreaking school massacre in Newtown, Conn., politicians and the press have, as everyone knows, been totally obsessed with firearms.

Indeed, President Obama has vowed to impose strong new gun-control measures on the nation – very soon, with or without Congress.

Other possible factors – from violent video games to the “failure of our mental-health system” to the unintended consequences of making schools “gun-free zones” – have taken a back seat to guns. Within hours of the gruesome mega-crime, the media had provided extensive, round-the-clock coverage of precisely which firearms, manufacturers and calibers the perpetrator had used, how he had obtained them from his mother, where they were originally purchased, and so on.

But where, I’d like to ask my colleagues in the media, is the reporting about the psychiatric medications the perpetrator – who had been under treatment for mental-health problems – may have been taking? After all, Mark and Louise Tambascio, family friends of the shooter and his mother, were interviewed on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” during which Louise Tambascio told correspondent Scott Pelley: “I know he was on medication and everything, but she homeschooled him at home cause he couldn’t deal with the school classes sometimes, so she just homeschooled Adam at home. And that was her life.” And here, Tambascio tells ABC News, “I knew he was on medication, but that’s all I know.”

It has been more than three weeks since the shooting. We know all about the guns he used, but what “medication” may he have used? (One brief mini-hoax emerged when the New York Daily News published a story claiming the shooter, according to his uncle, had been on the controversial antipsychotic drug Fanapt. That story was quickly withdrawn after the “uncle” turned out to be a fraudster with no relation to the murderer.)

So, what is the truth? Where is the journalistic curiosity? Where is the follow-up? Where is the police report, the medical examiner’s report, the interviews with his doctor and others?

But let me back up. Perhaps you’re wondering why this issue of psychiatric medications should be so important.

As I documented in “How Evil Works,” it is simply indisputable that most perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on – or just recently coming off of – psychiatric medications:

Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs.

Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves.Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s 1 in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.

Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, Calif., in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Ore., and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.

In Paducah, Ky., in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.

In 2005, 16-year-old Native American Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.

In another famous case, 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Ky., killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.

Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: “I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said. “This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”

John Hinckley, age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.

Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified: “She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: “What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well-publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” – murderous thoughts – as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug.Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.

One more case is instructive, that of 12-year-old Christopher Pittman, who struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he’d ever known in his turbulent life. “When I was lying in my bed that night,” he testified, “I couldn’t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.” Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept and then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them.”I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,” he recalled. “Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can’t do anything to stop it.”Pittman’s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of “involuntary intoxication,” since his doctors had him taking the antidepressants Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders.Paxil’s known “adverse drug reactions” – according to the drug’s FDA-approved label – include “mania,” “insomnia,” “anxiety,” “agitation,” “confusion,” “amnesia,” “depression,” “paranoid reaction,” “psychosis,” “hostility,” “delirium,” “hallucinations,” “abnormal thinking,” “depersonalization” and “lack of emotion,” among others.The preceding examples are only a few of the best-known offenders who had been taking prescribed psychiatric drugs before committing their violent crimes – there are many others.

Whether we like to admit it or not, it is undeniable that when certain people living on the edge of sanity take psychiatric medications, those drugs can – and occasionally do – push them over the edge into violent madness. Remember, every single SSRI antidepressant sold in the United States of America today, no matter what brand or manufacturer, bears a “black box” FDA warning label – the government’s most serious drug warning – of “increased risks of suicidal thinking and behavior, known as suicidality, in young adults ages 18 to 24.” Common sense tells us that where there are suicidal thoughts – especially in a very, very angry person – homicidal thoughts may not be far behind. Indeed, the mass shooters we are describing often take their own lives when the police show up, having planned their suicide ahead of time.

So, what ‘medication’ was Lanza on?

The Sandy Hook school massacre, we are constantly reminded, was the “second-worst school shooting in U.S. history.” Let’s briefly revisit the worst, Virginia Tech, because it provides an important lesson for us. One would think, in light of the stunning correlation between psych meds and mass murders, that it would be considered critical to establish definitively whether the Virginia Tech murderer of 32 people, student Cho Seung-Hui, had been taking psychiatric drugs.

Yet, more than five years later, the answer to that question remains a mystery.

Even though initially the New York Times reported, “officials said prescription medications related to the treatment of psychological problems had been found among Mr. Cho’s effects,” and the killer’s roommate, Joseph Aust, had told the Richmond Times-Dispatch that Cho’s routine each morning had included taking prescription drugs, the state’s toxicology report released two months later said “no prescription drugs or toxic substances were found in Cho Seung-Hui.”

Perhaps so, but one of the most notoriously unstable and unpredictable times for users of SSRI antidepressants is the period shortly after they’ve stopped taking them, during which time the substance may not be detectable in the body.

What kind of meds might Cho have been taking – or recently have stopped taking? Curiously, despite an exhaustive investigation by the Commonwealth of Virginia which disclosed that Cho had taken Paxil for a year in 1999, specifics on what meds he was taking prior to the Virginia Tech massacre have remained elusive. The final 20,000-word report manages to omit any conclusive information about the all-important issue of Cho’s medications during the period of the mass shooting.

To add to the drama, it wasn’t until two years after the state’s in-depth report was issued that, as disclosed in an Aug. 19, 2009, ABC News report, some of Cho’s long-missing mental health records were located:

The records released today were discovered to be missing during a Virginia panel’s August 2007 investigation four-and-a-half months after the massacre.

The notes were recovered last month from the home of Dr. Robert Miller, the former director of the counseling center, who says he inadvertently packed Cho’s file into boxes of personal belongings when he left the center in February 2006. Until the July 2009 discovery of the documents, Miller said he had no idea he had the records.

Miller has since been let go from the university.

Although Cho’s newly discovered mental-health files reportedly revealed nothing further about his medications, the issues raised by the initial accounts – including the “officials” cited by the New York Times and the Richmond paper’s eyewitness account of daily meds-taking – remain unaddressed to this day.

Some critics suggest these official omissions are motivated by a desire to protect the drug companies from ruinous product liability claims. Indeed, pharmaceutical manufacturers are nervous about lawsuits over the “rare adverse effects” of their mood-altering medications. To avoid costly settlements and public relations catastrophes – such as when GlaxoSmithKline was ordered to pay $6.4 million to the family of 60-year-old Donald Schnell who murdered his wife, daughter and granddaughter in a fit of rage shortly after starting on Paxil – drug companies’ legal teams have quietly and skillfully settled hundreds of cases out-of-court, shelling out hundreds of millions of dollars to plaintiffs. Pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly fought scores of legal claims against Prozac in this way, settling for cash before the complaint could go to court while stipulating that the settlement remain secret – and then claiming it had never lost a Prozac lawsuit.

All of which is, once again, to respectfully but urgently ask the question: When on earth are we going to find out if the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook school massacre, like so many other mass shooters, had been taking psychiatric drugs?

In the end, it may well turn out that knowing what kinds of guns he used isn’t nearly as important as what kind of drugs he used.

That is, assuming we ever find out.
Wouldhe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 10:23 AM   #83
dumbass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Lakewood
Posts: 4,125
dumbass recently placed 2nd in a local hot wings-eating contest
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wouldhe View Post
As I mentioned earlier, we need to identify those with mental conditions. The guns don't shoot themselves. With that said, I provide evidence to my assertion.............

All of which is, once again, to respectfully but urgently ask the question: When on earth are we going to find out if the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook school massacre, like so many other mass shooters, had been taking psychiatric drugs?

In the end, it may well turn out that knowing what kinds of guns he used isn’t nearly as important as what kind of drugs he used.

That is, assuming we ever find out.
There is entirely too much logic in everything said in your post. The powers to be want to confiscate your guns. They don't want to admit that the problem is one of people doing harm to people. It's not a gun problem. You're right when you say it's a people problem.
__________________
"IT TAKES A DISCIPLINED PERSON TO LISTEN TO THE CONVICTIONS DIFFERENT THAN OUR OWN" Dorothy Fuldheim

"BE WHO YOU ARE AND SAY WHAT YOU FEEL BECAUSE THOSE WHO MIND DON'T MATTER AND THOSE THAT MATTER DON'T MIND." Dr. Suess
dumbass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 10:36 AM   #84
pladecalvo
Senior Member
 
pladecalvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Valencia, Spain
Posts: 16,662
pladecalvo is a splendid one to beholdpladecalvo is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dumbass View Post
Governments are not infallible and do things that either ignore logic or intentionally place politics above the common good.
yes they do but civilised democracies use the ballot box to remove them when they do....not guns.

Quote:
Two shining examples: Spain has been borrowing money from the reserve for it's social security type of retirement fund and buying it's own debt as opposed to being fiscally responsible.
Spain like most of the world, is in a financial mess due to YOUR country's sub-prime lending fiasco. Spain like most of the world, is in a financial mess due to that thing so beloved of your country...'Free Trade', Free trade that allowed banks to operate virtually uncontrolled which in turn allowed arsehole bankers to rip us all off, take all our savings and investments, ruin the lives of countless millions....and then walk away laughing with mega-million dollar bonuses.

Quote:
You're correct that change happens within Governments all of the time but "CHANGE" doesn't necessarily equate to something positive. Ask the retirees of both Spain and The US if they have a warm fuzzy feeling about the change that permits their retirement funds being raided by their governments.
...but that has been happening for decades...not only in governments but in industry too. FYI, Spanish pensioners are very content. Not only are their pensions amongst the highest in Europe, with the average pension at around €1000 ($1311) per month but they get FREE holidays and free health care too.

Quote:
Back to the point, ask the Aussies and Philippians what their CHANGING government's gun confiscation laws have done to improve their lives.
Quite a bit it would appear......

"Though gun-related deaths did not suddenly end in Australia, gun-related homicides dropped 59 percent between 1995 and 2006, with no corresponding increase in non-firearm-related homicides. Suicides by gun plummeted by 65 percent, and robberies at gunpoint also dropped significantly."

"Perhaps the most convincing statistic for many, though, is that in the decade before the Port Arthur massacre, there were 11 mass shootings in the country. Since the new law, there hasn’t been one shooting spree."
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...n-control-laws

"Gun violence hasn't been completely eliminated in Australia. But gun-control advocates are quick to point out that there hasn't been a single mass shooting in the 16 years since the laws came into effect."
http://www.npr.org/2012/12/21/167814...their-gun-laws
Quote:
Our 2nd amendment was written for a purpose at least as great as personal protection if not greater, that being a constant reminder to the government that it serves for the benefit of and at the pleasure of the Governed.
You may not understand the importance placed on that here.
What I don't understand is the mentality of people that are obsessed with owning guns. Australia identified the problem and were sensible enough to do something about it. Clearly America isn't. Stop whinging about your 'rights' and your 'amendments' and 'constitution'. You have a major problem and you need to grasp the answer that is staring you right in the face. As it said in one of the articles...'you can own a gun provided you can show that you have a NEED to own a gun.
__________________
Jesus is UNBELIEVABLE!!

"Fear paints pictures of ghosts and hangs them in the gallery of ignorance." ]Robert Green Ingersoll

Last edited by pladecalvo; 01-07-2013 at 12:16 PM.
pladecalvo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 11:55 AM   #85
GradStdnt
Senior Member
 
GradStdnt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: OH
Posts: 2,335
GradStdnt recently placed 2nd in a local hot wings-eating contest
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dumbass View Post
There is entirely too much logic in everything said in your post. The powers to be want to confiscate your guns. They don't want to admit that the problem is one of people doing harm to people. It's not a gun problem. You're right when you say it's a people problem.
I really don't think that anyone wants to confiscate all guns. Like many of us have posted....some collectors have thousands of dollars invested in guns..my Dad included. Everyone realizes that the real control is controlling the loony ones from causing harm. This is such a huge mess...since Sandy Hook there have been several more...as recent as this morning in Akron...

http://fox8.com/2013/01/07/pregnant-...nd-identified/

I wonder if we can CONTROL the applicants who apply for a gun permits...including C&C. For example, anyone who is prescribed a drug...such as Wouldhe mentioned would be entered into a data base as having mental conditions...then they would have to submit to additional screenings for safety.

The assault rifles are pretty scary looking weapons. One of my relatives just purchased a AR-15 at Christmas and sited it in at my Dads. He emptied a 30 round clip in less than 2 minutes. We were pretty shocked....he didnt even know the clip was empty...said it felt like he just shot one off. The TAX paying citizens have a right to be safe from weapons like this....just like the gun owners have a right to own them. What is the happy medium on this growing problem? I am sick to death of seeing gun shootings poluting my TV. How much is enough?
GradStdnt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 12:32 PM   #86
hrdguera
Bitch
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Texas, in the suburbs
Posts: 4,361
hrdguera recently placed 2nd in a local hot wings-eating contest
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GradStdnt View Post
I really don't think that anyone wants to confiscate all guns. Like many of us have posted....some collectors have thousands of dollars invested in guns..my Dad included. Everyone realizes that the real control is controlling the loony ones from causing harm. This is such a huge mess...since Sandy Hook there have been several more...as recent as this morning in Akron...

http://fox8.com/2013/01/07/pregnant-...nd-identified/

I wonder if we can CONTROL the applicants who apply for a gun permits...including C&C. For example, anyone who is prescribed a drug...such as Wouldhe mentioned would be entered into a data base as having mental conditions...then they would have to submit to additional screenings for safety.

The assault rifles are pretty scary looking weapons. One of my relatives just purchased a AR-15 at Christmas and sited it in at my Dads. He emptied a 30 round clip in less than 2 minutes. We were pretty shocked....he didnt even know the clip was empty...said it felt like he just shot one off. The TAX paying citizens have a right to be safe from weapons like this....just like the gun owners have a right to own them. What is the happy medium on this growing problem? I am sick to death of seeing gun shootings poluting my TV. How much is enough?
The medical privacy laws would have to be changed if that is the direction the Fed takes. That has little or no chance of happening.

Notice how little has been reported about the Newtown School shooter's drug intake. Your idea has merit but furthering the stigma attached to mental health treatments may actually discourage those that need help from seeking help. Then we run into the Medical Lobby. They used to be powerful. Maybe this will unite them again.

There are pitfalls at every turn. I think that is one reason that the administration may consider an outright ban by "executive order." And if that happens we may see a constitutional crisis that will only be averted if Obama puts more liberal justices on the bench. But even with all that Americans will refuse to be disarmed in large numbers. Then we will see what all those internment camps that the Fed has been building were really all about. Sarcasm

It is not a pretty scenario.
And making 100 million Americans criminals by Executive Order would be the action of a fool, a traitor, and a power-hungry idiot.

So do we have a fool in charge? God I hope not. Would the soldiers and police even enforce such an order? God I hope not.

Last edited by hrdguera; 01-07-2013 at 01:31 PM.
hrdguera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 12:47 PM   #87
GradStdnt
Senior Member
 
GradStdnt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: OH
Posts: 2,335
GradStdnt recently placed 2nd in a local hot wings-eating contest
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hrdguera View Post
The medical privacy laws would have to be changed if that is the direction the Fed takes. That has little or no chance of happening.

Notice how little has been reported about the Newtown School shooter's drug intake. Your idea has merit but furthering the stigma attached to mental health treatments may actually discourage those that need help from seeking help. Then we run into the Medical Lobby. They used to be powerful. Maybe this will unite them again.

There are pitfalls at every turn. I think that is one reason that the administration may consider an outright ban by "executive order." And if that happens we may see a constitutional crisis that will only be averted if Obama puts more liberal justices on the bench. But even with all that Americans will refuse to be disarmed in large numbers. Then we will see what all those internment camps that the Fed has been building were really all about.

It is not a pretty scenario.
And making 100 million Americans criminals by Executive Order would be the action of a fool, a traitor, and a power-hungry idiot.

So do we have a fool in charge? God I hope not. Would the soldiers and police even enforce such an order? God I hope not.
An executive order banning ALL guns will never happen. There will not be any camps of any kind....calm down!! We have the 2nd amendment...it will stand..but a tweak or 2 would not hurt. We have way to much of an investment in weaponary...at all levels that assist in floating this countries economy. As far as HIPAA...that is a sacrifice that we would have to make to enjoy the freedom of owning a weapon. Gun advocates can't have everything their way....look back 30 years ago when you were a young lad...did you ever think you would see the violence that you see today? When your children were in elementary school...did it ever cross your mind that Sandy Hook could happen in their school? I never gave that a minutes thought back then....even after Columbine. But today...it crosses my mind every day.

I saw a fleeting article today about Texas...sort of becoming a police state. They are implementing the volunteer snipers or something to protect the public.

We can't blame everything on Obama...Sandy Hook and all of the others would have happened under Romney as well. This problem has nothing to do with our government. I am actually a little pissed that these violence issues are taking up way too much time when we have jobs to create and a economy to fix. Another fucked up distraction to the real issues.
GradStdnt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 01:41 PM   #88
pladecalvo
Senior Member
 
pladecalvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Valencia, Spain
Posts: 16,662
pladecalvo is a splendid one to beholdpladecalvo is a splendid one to behold
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wouldhe View Post
As I mentioned earlier, we need to identify those with mental conditions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GradStdnt View Post
Everyone realizes that the real control is controlling the loony ones from causing harm.
...and just HOW are you going to do that chaps. I mean, they haven't exactly got 'I'm a fecking loony' tattooed on their foreheads.

STOP BLAMING EVERYONE BUT YOURSELVES!!
__________________
Jesus is UNBELIEVABLE!!

"Fear paints pictures of ghosts and hangs them in the gallery of ignorance." ]Robert Green Ingersoll

Last edited by pladecalvo; 01-07-2013 at 01:41 PM.
pladecalvo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 01:50 PM   #89
hrdguera
Bitch
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Texas, in the suburbs
Posts: 4,361
hrdguera recently placed 2nd in a local hot wings-eating contest
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GradStdnt View Post
An executive order banning ALL guns will never happen. There will not be any camps of any kind....calm down!! We have the 2nd amendment...it will stand..but a tweak or 2 would not hurt. We have way to much of an investment in weaponary...at all levels that assist in floating this countries economy. As far as HIPAA...that is a sacrifice that we would have to make to enjoy the freedom of owning a weapon. Gun advocates can't have everything their way....look back 30 years ago when you were a young lad...did you ever think you would see the violence that you see today? When your children were in elementary school...did it ever cross your mind that Sandy Hook could happen in their school? I never gave that a minutes thought back then....even after Columbine. But today...it crosses my mind every day.

I saw a fleeting article today about Texas...sort of becoming a police state. They are implementing the volunteer snipers or something to protect the public.

We can't blame everything on Obama...Sandy Hook and all of the others would have happened under Romney as well. This problem has nothing to do with our government. I am actually a little pissed that these violence issues are taking up way too much time when we have jobs to create and a economy to fix. Another fucked up distraction to the real issues.
I changed the post (sorry the sarcasm didn't translate at all).

You are correct.
I would have never imagined school kids being victims within their classrooms. Even when I think the first Dirty Harry movie; a big part of the shock value of the movie/scene was with the kids on the school bus! But that is what the shock value of movie horror is; people actually doing the unthinkable.

But try to answer the one question that has been bugging me for the last couple of weeks; why has nothing been written/reported about the drugs and the care that the shooter was under?

Around here and around the nation people are actually salivating over "gun control." People that would have never thought of opening the door to such a thing are all of sudden trying to sound reasonable and politically correct on the issue. The only problem with that is the gun control nuts like Bloomberg and others have no middle ground. Give them an inch and they will want a mile and everything in between. No Gun zones haven't worked. Every law that has been put forward, and there are many, don't seem to stop the lunatics.
I was a party this weekend when one woman said in jest that the next time a crazy looking MF comes up to her car in any emotion she doesn't like (like anger) that instead of using a tire iron; she is just going to shoot the MF and rip her own blouse. When peaceful women start saying stuff like that; it does give one cause to really start having good manners! When my wife asked her what she would do if her gun became illegal; she said that she would never give it up. (For the record, this woman is 5 ft 0 in and weighs about 100 lbs all wet). And yes, she could hit a fly on the move with her .380 Semi-auto.

My thoughts went to making and selling armored cod-pieces after listening to her! That and etiquette classes for louts!

Last edited by hrdguera; 01-07-2013 at 01:55 PM.
hrdguera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 01:51 PM   #90
hrdguera
Bitch
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Texas, in the suburbs
Posts: 4,361
hrdguera recently placed 2nd in a local hot wings-eating contest
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pladecalvo View Post
...and just HOW are you going to do that chaps. I mean, they haven't exactly got 'I'm a fecking loony' tattooed on their foreheads.

STOP BLAMING EVERYONE BUT YOURSELVES!!
Aren't overly opinionated foreigners looney?
hrdguera is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:41 AM.

© Copyright 2005 Evil Empire