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Old 01-13-2013, 08:40 PM   #1
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A Patriot’s Rant
“Gun Violence” “Gun Control”
Anyone who reads the above phrase’s and believes the solution is in the word gun is foolish.
They are about violence and control.
The belief that gun control curbs gun violence is not entirely incorrect however, it does control gun violence and statistics prove it time and again, violent crimes sky rocket! Those who fall victim are more likely to be killed or injured.
“Evil exists only in the heart of man” I’m certain at this point someone reading that will jump up and say “BAN HEARTS”. They would be the same fools that believe you can end violence by controlling guns.
(I call them politicians and liberals). As long as you have something that someone of nefarious intent wants, they will find a way to take it from you at whatever the cost to you.
“Gun Control”
As I stated above is also not about the guns it is about control. The liberal politicians would have us believe that no one needs an AK or an Ar with a magazine capacity of 30 rounds. The hope is they are right. I certainly hope I never need any of mine. I use mine specifically to target shoot and hunt, yes contrary to their belief I hunt with one of my Ar-15’s, I have outfitted My SPR with a 3x9-40 scope and back up red dot intermediate sight and hunt with it. Why? Feral Hog! As of yet I have not run into the angry pack of hog’s that would chase me down or run me up a tree to the point I would need the rapid fire capabilities and large capacity ammunition clip (Clip: definition: A liberal term meaning “I don’t know what I’m talking about”), but it is sure nice to know it is there. So if they get their way and you read a story about some guy in the southern states that was eaten alive by a pack of wild pigs because he could not re-load his flintlock and musket fast enough, send a letter to Barry and Diane and tell them I said; Thanks for nothing.
Not for nothing but, what is the difference between a liberal and a Patriot?
The patriot will fight and die for your rights whether you like it or not.
The liberal will tell you what your rights are, whether you like it or not.


On a more serious note: The same politicians who take an oath to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution apparently have not read the Constitution. The legislation they would propose is an affront to the constitution in more ways than just the 2nd amendment. As I read Diane Feinstein’s proposal I saw it violate the 2nd, 4th and 14th amendments. To take it further the state bans around the country are all in violation of the constitution.
Here is a perfect example of not reading or understanding the Constitution.
“There’s nothing here that interferes with the rights of people to have a gun to protect themselves,” CAP(Center for American Progress) President Neera Tanden said. But, she added, “We have daily episodes where it seems that guns are in the wrong hands, and that’s why we think it’s important that the president acts.” WRONG!
I don’t have to tell anyone who has read the constitution what the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is about. But for those who have not, I will.
The 2nd amendment is not about self-defense nor does it afford the Federal Government any ability to regulate. It is the people’s right to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, of which the current administration is the very picture of.


2nd Amendment:
A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.



4th Amendment(See The NFA rules)
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

14th Amendment:
Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Perhaps I misunderstood it. I’m not an educated man (I did not steal a Harvard law degree, you know who you are Barry); I do know how to read though.
The one thing I have always understood is, the constitution protects all groups equally. Not just the ones we like, or did I misunderstand that as well?


So now I ask this:
Has there ever in the history of the United States since the first revolution been a need for the second Amendment?
If not necessarily just for the right to bear arms, but as a rally point for no more violating the constitution? (I know this is not really a question as much as a statement)
We are a nation of laws are we not?
Isn’t the constitution the very foundation of those laws?
Are we not a nation of Freedom?
If we are willing to deprive one faction of the population of their rights; who’s next?

Let’s go back to control for a second. Don’t be fooled into believing that it’s not about control.
The Center for American progress? Sounds Progressive, isn’t that what the communist and socialists are calling it these days. Isn’t the first order of business of an oppressive government to disarm the people?

“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”
Joseph Stalin( See Joe’s human rights record, he couldn’t possibly be wrong, he’s all about the people)

The same ignorant politicians would put the blame on the entertainment industry (i.e. video games and movies). I grew up during the Die hard, Rambo and Commando era. I have played first person shooter video games and not once have I ever had the urge to arm up and go on a shooting spree after which. Why? Because I’m not crazy! I can tell the difference between reality and fantasy, I don’t need some Washington liberal progressive communist socialist group to do it for me. Is this not about control?


I can’t be the only person who sees the gratuitous nature of the headline grabbing news reports that bombard us after such events. Is it possible this perpetuates the cycle and helps put the idea into the head of the next crazed individual who would readily grab his fifteen minutes?
Look back at the cycle of post office shootings and high speed chases. Once they were no longer news, they stopped.
Then the politicians grab a hold and run with it while the story is fresh and the emotional appeal at its strongest. Ahh! The death of twenty children, what better way to further our cause? Positively shameful. When we as a nation should have come together to grieve, we find ourselves being divided by a greedy power grabbing fascist (That’s right Barry, I said It)
“I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few”.
Adolf Hitler

Does this mean we should regulate the media? No! (Please see the constitution). Perhaps though we could ask the liberal hags to stop spinning stories to meet their personal agendas and just state the facts, or we will stop watching/reading.

As I read countless articles in preparation for my rant, I for the first time in my life was scared. I was horrified not just by the crime statistics but more so about what this government has been doing.
Now before you jump again, no I’m not nor do I believe I have ever been a “Conspiracy Theorist” In fact for the most part I have always dismissed such ranting. I do s***est a little light reading for all. I have not been paying any attention to any of Barry’s speeches before I read about him calling for a National Security Force. Sure enough he makes brief reference to it on more than one occasion.
This whole agenda says (NSDAP):

The NDAA.
“The most controversial provision allows for the indefinite imprisonment of U.S. citizens, or as Obama calls it “prolonged detention.” Prolonged detention allows for the detention of an individual without a charge or trial.” (See constitutional amendment 4 please)

The large purchase of ammunition (in the billions of rounds) that is banned by the Geneva Convention, but perfectly acceptable for domestic use. (Wait, what use?)

FEMA camps: The only thing I can add here is: Holy Crap!

Just these alone scream “Round up the dissidents”.
Uh Oh! That’s me! I should shut up and fall in line.
Not so fast Barry! Lest you forget, we are still a nation of free men.
“A Patriot as he exhaust’s his last breathe does not shed a tear for the life he has lost, but for the freedom and liberty he can no longer fight for”

The lefties would have us believe this is all in our best interest and as “WE THE SHEEPLE” need them to put us on the right path.


Barry I’ll make you a deal. (I know I can trust you, you would never lie)
When you can assure me that the federal government will never impose unjust sanctions or legislation on any of my constitutional rights and that “Evil” no longer exist.
Then and only then can you have my guns.


“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
Adolf Hitler

So you thought in all my ranting above I was just as bad as the left’s by throwing out a bunch of rhetoric and not proposing a solution.
I do have some ideas on the matter. I would s***est this.

Responsible Gun Owner Act (RGOA).
The RGOA’s purpose would not be to regulate firearms but ensure that only responsible law abiding citizens possess firearms through proper training and education. It would also require strict and harsh punishments for unlawful possession and/or use as well as a lifetime ban from licensing for all convicted felons.
The federal government’s only participation in the RGOA would be to enact the RGOA and ensure that all states abide by the RGOA. No further restrictions or bans would apply.
The RGOA would supersede all current federal and state laws enacted that currently conflict with the constitution or an individual’s Right to keep and bear arms. States would handle, oversee; accredit all licensing and training programs. NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Weapons and ammunition sales would be taxed; as well as licensing fees to pay for a state level program(s). Training facility’s would be privately owned and operated (accredited by the state) (creating more jobs), the federal background check would remain in effect and all gun sales including private party sales would have to submit.

Much the same as our driving privilege (yes I understand the difference between rights and privilege, don’t be a liberal, READ!) or professional licensing, a first time gun buyer would choose the category in which they would like to get licensed (i.e. pistol; long gun/shotgun; Home/self-defense; tactical weaponry or take the master course that would encompass all weapons training and storage). They would apply for a license with the state. The state would then process the information and perform all required background check(s), at which point they would be issued a permit to attend classes in the chosen field. After completing the course they would then be issued a license (In the chosen field). Each weapons field would require an additional training course, but not additional licensing fee (excluding the master course, license would be for all categories). (Grandfathering) Current gun owners would submit to licensing requirements and an abridged version of the master training and storage program (only available for a short period i.e. 18 mos-2yrs after enactment at which point they would be subject to any/all courses that apply and or penalties).
Licensing, States to handle all licensing and weapons registration (no licensing information would be shared with the federal government). States would not release lists or information as public domain (registration information would remain the sole property of the licensee, entrusted to the states). Military and law enforcement exempt.
All states would adhere to the same programs and rules making all licenses transferable.
Licensee would be 18 years and older for long guns/shotguns and 21 years and older for all others Training
Courses:
Pistol operating/safety and storage (8-16 hour course)
Home/self-defense training, safety and storage (8-16 hour course).
Long rifles and shotguns; Hunter safety courses, self-defense, safety and storage (8-16 hour course).
Tactical weapons, carbine, long range, military/state militia volunteer, safety and storage (16-32 hour course).
Master weapons handling, operation training, safety and storage (TBA).
Annual continuing education units (3 hours online, range time(practice) and/or attendance at any of the above course(s)) (this would ensure that if a previously sound individual who has since become incapacitated would not fall through the cracks).

I’m sure you’ve noticed the reoccurring theme in the training courses. Storage; this is where most guns fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally unstable. I know it’s not lawful to require someone to purchase a product, however if all weapons were stored in safes or at least partially dis-assembled then there would be far less incidents of children getting ahold of them or them being stolen during a home burglary.
I understand it is not by any stretch of the imagination perfect. I also know a bunch of old guys (like me) stood up and said “that’s bullshit I don’t need any training”. To that I say your right, I have been shooting since I was a teenager, but one thing I learned a long time ago “I never stop learning” Also how about going to the class and imparting some of your wisdom or just hanging out with like-minded folk?
The only thing I can say to all the young guys who jumped up is this “you will understand when you get older” Kind of sound like a dad don’t I. I am and my boys didn’t like that part either.
For now I have to go, my wife says I have to spend some of my time with her and my dog is pawing at me too, she wants to go for a walk. They’re violating my constitutional rights again damn it!
Call me a constitutionalist, a conservative. But tell me when those became dirty words!

Before I go I would like to address piers morgan(deliberately not capitalized) and his recent assault on our constitution.
First I would say the constitution does afford freedom of speech. Absolutely! You forget those rights are reserved for citizens. So shut the F*&$ up! You are a guest in this country, you should show some respect.
Second I would point out to peirs the last time a brit tried to tell us what we should do with our guns it did not work out that well for him, So shut the F*&$ up!
Third I would point out that if it were not for Americans and their guns he and the rest of Europe would be speaking German, So shut the F*&$ up!

In goodbye I say this: hear the rally cry loud and clear if we do not stop this now it only gets worse.


“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.”
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p.s. if I never do any follow up rants, write to Barry and ask him to let me go.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:56 AM   #2
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Thank you for your rant 'Rambo.'
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Thank you for your rant 'Rambo.'
That is an extreme oversimplification.

But since you are not an American I really cannot expect you to understand either the historical, the traditional, or the cultural implications of the restrictions that over-zealous control hungry politicians and their liberal "Benedicts" are trying to impose on the vast majority of law abiding citizenry throughout the country.

We allow ourselves to be governed by a limited government that we choose and we, as a people, retain all other freedoms for ourselves except for a few certain rights we forego in order to live together and protect our Union. We do not live and work at the discretion of the governing authorities but instead they live and work at our discretion. We are very jealous of these freedoms and we refuse to relinquish any of these. We also demand that our right to privacy be respected as long as we obey and follow the laws of the land. Now, with the thought in mind that each citizen considers themselves a sovereign nation you may begin to try to understand the true American mindset. It isn't is simple as simply calling someone a Rambo because they wish to retain every freedom they have against all usurpers.
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That is an extreme oversimplification.

But since you are not an American I really cannot expect you to understand either the historical, the traditional, or the cultural implications of the restrictions that over-zealous control hungry politicians and their liberal "Benedicts" are trying to impose on the vast majority of law abiding citizenry throughout the country.

We allow ourselves to be governed by a limited government that we choose and we, as a people, retain all other freedoms for ourselves except for a few certain rights we forego in order to live together and protect our Union. We do not live and work at the discretion of the governing authorities but instead they live and work at our discretion. We are very jealous of these freedoms and we refuse to relinquish any of these. We also demand that our right to privacy be respected as long as we obey and follow the laws of the land. Now, with the thought in mind that each citizen considers themselves a sovereign nation you may begin to try to understand the true American mindset. It isn't is simple as simply calling someone a Rambo because they wish to retain every freedom they have against all usurpers.

Well said man!!!
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Thanks for the reply and feedback, It would seem you got the point. My intent was to simply the issues and not look past the underlying problem, or to over think the solution(s). As I stated I'm an average Joe. I find it mind numbing to watch the idiots up on capitol hill over think to the point that they can no longer see the problem and subsequently right past the solution. i.e. Budget crisis: You have no money: Solution. STOP SPENDING MONEY! Sure you may say that is too easy, what programs would you cut? Also a simple answer. The IRS would be cut back by a minimum of one third. lame duck bureaus such as the BATF would be absorbed by it closest cousin The FBI. Repeal obamacare!(never mind we are paying for that mess). The EPA, The Dept. Of Ag. Dept of Ed. I could rant on about this all day too. I would not be surprised if the capitol hillbilley's don't propose The U.S. Department of Gun Control. headed by esteemed Diane Feinstein (D-bag).
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Thanks for the reply and feedback, It would seem you got the point. My intent was to simply the issues and not look past the underlying problem, or to over think the solution(s). As I stated I'm an average Joe. I find it mind numbing to watch the idiots up on capitol hill over think to the point that they can no longer see the problem and subsequently right past the solution. i.e. Budget crisis: You have no money: Solution. STOP SPENDING MONEY! Sure you may say that is too easy, what programs would you cut? Also a simple answer. The IRS would be cut back by a minimum of one third. lame duck bureaus such as the BATF would be absorbed by it closest cousin The FBI. Repeal obamacare!(never mind we are paying for that mess). The EPA, The Dept. Of Ag. Dept of Ed. I could rant on about this all day too. I would not be surprised if the capitol hillbilley's don't propose The U.S. Department of Gun Control. headed by esteemed Diane Feinstein (D-bag).
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Rick - We need to have a real conversation about how the liberal courts have not been effective in dealing with the likes of murderers, sex offenders, and garden variety lunatics. The fact is, crime has gone down in this country since the relaxing of gun laws started about 20 years ago. If and when our legislators want to really protect us they will also look at why people like John Hinkley are walking the street in the first place, unmonitored, and armed. He could have just as easily wired explosives to himself and killed Reagan and many others that day in Washington.
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Thanks for the reply and feedback, It would seem you got the point. My intent was to simply the issues and not look past the underlying problem, or to over think the solution(s). As I stated I'm an average Joe. I find it mind numbing to watch the idiots up on capitol hill over think to the point that they can no longer see the problem and subsequently right past the solution. i.e. Budget crisis: You have no money: Solution. STOP SPENDING MONEY! Sure you may say that is too easy, what programs would you cut? Also a simple answer. The IRS would be cut back by a minimum of one third. lame duck bureaus such as the BATF would be absorbed by it closest cousin The FBI. Repeal obamacare!(never mind we are paying for that mess). The EPA, The Dept. Of Ag. Dept of Ed. I could rant on about this all day too. I would not be surprised if the capitol hillbilley's don't propose The U.S. Department of Gun Control. headed by esteemed Diane Feinstein (D-bag).
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So if your changes were enacted, how much money could be cut from the Federal budget?
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So if your changes were enacted, how much money could be cut from the Federal budget?
That is a more complicated question. Thanks for goading me into a loosing argument. I will say this, I would start as I've stated before the base root of the problem and work my way up. An evaluation of each of the federal agencies.
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Rick - We need to have a real conversation about how the liberal courts have not been effective in dealing with the likes of murderers, sex offenders, and garden variety lunatics. The fact is, crime has gone down in this country since the relaxing of gun laws started about 20 years ago. If and when our legislators want to really protect us they will also look at why people like John Hinkley are walking the street in the first place, unmonitored, and armed. He could have just as easily wired explosives to himself and killed Reagan and many others that day in Washington.
That is a great subject all in it's own" The Liberal Courts" The same individuals who think that guns are the problem are the same ones who protest the death penalty and speak out against prisoner treatment. with recidivism what it is 70+ % for sex offenders I think that answer is painfully clear. Why give an individual who has already proven he/she cannot control themselves the ability to repeat. Public hangings would be a hell of a deterrent.(kidding of course, HMMM! or am I). Child predators would get 0 chance to re-offend if it were up to me. (unmonitored, and armed) That is the beauty in my RGOA proposal All license applicants would be seen a licensing administrator,trainer and so on. Whats to say there is not a little box on the training form or the licensing application(all forms) that states "further review" So the individual who displays anti-social tenancies will be noticed and could possibly get the help they need.
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That is a great subject all in it's own" The Liberal Courts" The same individuals who think that guns are the problem are the same ones who protest the death penalty and speak out against prisoner treatment. with recidivism what it is 70+ % for sex offenders I think that answer is painfully clear. Why give an individual who has already proven he/she cannot control themselves the ability to repeat. Public hangings would be a hell of a deterrent.(kidding of course, HMMM! or am I). Child predators would get 0 chance to re-offend if it were up to me. (unmonitored, and armed) That is the beauty in my RGOA proposal All license applicants would be seen a licensing administrator,trainer and so on. Whats to say there is not a little box on the training form or the licensing application(all forms) that states "further review" So the individual who displays anti-social tenancies will be noticed and could possibly get the help they need.
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Thanks Rick and welcome to the forum. You had us a little concerned with your initial rant. For some of us this is a therapeutic place to vent our anger and disgust.

I work in mental health and have a mixed background involving military service, law enforcement, and rehabilitation. I see people quite frequently who have committed murders and who are a threat to society. The system is grossly inadequate and fails to follow-up or monitor them. Many schizophrenics are stabilized via a hospital stay and then are discharged back into the community. At some point this person "de-compensates" and stops taking their medication. After this occurs for a given period of time the person becomes psychotic which can result in a range of issues......paranoia, hearing voices, etc...... The person is then scooped up again and put back in the hospital for stabilization.

This is a continuing cycle and occasionally someone gets hurt or killed in the process. So what we have here are people on the streets who've done their 15 years for knocking grannies brains out with a hammer and people who are psychotic and capable of God knows what. So what the hell are we to do? Take away guns seems to be the simple answer for the simple minded. I agree that stronger sentencing needs to happen. Thirty years ago we didn't let these people out of prison, we threw away the key or executed them. They way we do things now equates to catching cock roaches in a trap, relocating them for a bit, and then releasing them in hopes that they have turned into something else
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