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Old 02-22-2013, 08:55 AM   #81
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allah says in the Holy Qur'an ((125) Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guidedghtly] guided

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Old 02-22-2013, 11:33 AM   #82
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allah says in the Holy Qur'an ((125) Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guidedghtly] guided

You're a goat, an unbeliever.

Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh to save sinners from hell. Jesus came to this earth to seek and to save the lost. HIS sheep know HIS voice, and the voice of the stranger they will not follow. Your god is a false one and the stranger. Your god never died for you...instead your religion/god requires you to kill/murder all who will not bend to your cult.

John 10:26-28

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26. "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand."




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Old 02-22-2013, 07:14 PM   #83
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Hi Sapphire:
If we are to believe the God of the OT is the same God as Jesus in the NT,
there are two sides to choose from the love of God or the wrath of God.

So that way, you can tell if someone is teaching about God and Jesus in the spirit of love and truth, or of fear and hateful division.

If people are rejecting Jesus as false and blaming Christians, or making God out to be imposing conditions on man we cannot meet, that is false.

If people are teaching that God is just and merciful AT THE SAME TIME will have us receive judgment as to what is right or wrong but does so out of loving correction and forgiveness, that is the spirit of Christ Jesus.

So it depends on teh person, whether Christian or Muslim, if they are acting and teaching true to the spirit of Jesus and God in teh Bible, which both the Muslims and Christians are supposed to follow in Christ Jesus, not reject!


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You're a goat, an unbeliever.

Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh to save sinners from hell. Jesus came to this earth to seek and to save the lost. HIS sheep know HIS voice, and the voice of the stranger they will not follow. Your god is a false one and the stranger. Your god never died for you...instead your religion/god requires you to kill/murder all who will not bend to your cult.

John 10:26-28

New King James Version

26. "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand."




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Old 02-23-2013, 09:33 AM   #84
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Hi Sapphire:
If we are to believe the God of the OT is the same God as Jesus in the NT,
there are two sides to choose from the love of God or the wrath of God.
I just read this first part and thought...you're out of your mind!

GOD is the same, yesterday, today and forever!

GOD is the SAME GOD in the OT and the NT.

And yes, Jesus is the GOD of the armies of the LORD.

Keep on believing your make believe "religion."

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Old 02-23-2013, 09:38 AM   #85
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So it depends on teh person, whether Christian or Muslim, if they are acting and teaching true to the spirit of Jesus and God in teh Bible, which both the Muslims and Christians are supposed to follow in Christ Jesus, not reject!
The muslims do NOT follow Jesus Christ. They follow their fake god.

Those who follow Jesus are HIS sheep. and those who follow after fake gods and fake gospels are goats.
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Hi Sapphire YES I am in AGREEMENT with you that God has not changed
but it is man's RELATIONSHIP with God that changed from OT to NT
because of Jesus, we used to be STUCK in a retributive relationship
because we could not correct our own wrongs or sins and kept repeating
them. But Jesus broke that cycle of sin repeating, and through forgiveness
and correction in Christ then we can now have RESTORATIVE JUSTICE.
God and Jesus were ALWAYS offering this choice of Justice with Mercy
but we couldn't REALIZE it until after Jesus came, was sacrificed,
and returns in the spirit so that all Humanity can receive Grace and Salvation.

So God/Jesus did not change, it is humanity that went htrough the changes.

See John 13:34 when Jesus says he gives unto us a NEW commandment that
we should love one another as JESUS loves us, which we could not do before without Jesus being incarnated in our realm. He didn't change, but we changed because of him. Sorry this wasn't clear. I agree that God doesn't change but our perception and relationship, and understanding changes!

Thank you Sapphire
May God continue to use you to introduce words of wisdom and correction wherever God sends you to plant seeds and help others grow in understanding and fellowship so we can all be closer in truth. Thank you!

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I just read this first part and thought...you're out of your mind!

GOD is the same, yesterday, today and forever!

GOD is the SAME GOD in the OT and the NT.

And yes, Jesus is the GOD of the armies of the LORD.

Keep on believing your make believe "religion."

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Jesus said to pour the new wine into new wineskins,
not the old wineskins that would otherwise burst.
We are the ones that Jesus is changing by forgiveness of the past
which creates room to receive God's grace and correction to realize greater blessings in the future.

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the truth here
- Gospel of Matthew is not true
The Gospel has been distorted

Matthew - Mark - Luke - John
Recognized by the scientists themselves Christians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHsLecQe1so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_VVivr1dc

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the truth here
- Gospel of Matthew is not true
The Gospel has been distorted
...as have they all.
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Old 02-25-2013, 01:27 PM   #89
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- Gospel of Matthew is not true
The Gospel has been distorted

Matthew - Mark - Luke - John
Recognized by the scientists themselves Christians
AGAIN: The muslims do NOT follow Jesus Christ. They follow their fake god.

Those who follow Jesus are HIS sheep. and those who follow after fake gods and fake gospels are goats.

About the so called "Christian scientists" you're trying to give them credibility regarding the Gospel of Jesus Christ....you're a FOOL. Any person that criticizes the Gospel of Jesus Christ is NOT a Christian. They can call themselves one...but they are NOT. Just like Bill Clinton called himself one...and he is an evil goat...just like you.
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Hi Sapphire YES I am in AGREEMENT with you that God has not changed
but it is man's RELATIONSHIP with God that changed from OT to NT
because of Jesus, we used to be STUCK in a retributive relationship
because we could not correct our own wrongs or sins and kept repeating
them. But Jesus broke that cycle of sin repeating, and through forgiveness
and correction in Christ then we can now have RESTORATIVE JUSTICE.
God and Jesus were ALWAYS offering this choice of Justice with Mercy
but we couldn't REALIZE it until after Jesus came, was sacrificed,
and returns in the spirit so that all Humanity can receive Grace and Salvation
You fail to realize that NOT ALL humanity has received Grace and Salvation. Not ALL. The truth is...there is a separation. The goats, representing unbelievers. And the sheep which represent believers. and the lost sheep that will soon be saved. If a lost sheep dies in his/her sins...they are lost forever. same with the goats/unbelievers.

The goats, unbelievers will face the Judgment of Jesus Christ. And Jesus will judge them according to their sins send them to hell. That is the TRUTH. YOU have to start telling people the TRUTH. Or they will be led by their own ignorance straight into hell.

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